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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 10:20am Post subject: Misread hand and mucked cards |
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High Card
Joined: 27 Sep 2006
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WPP: 145
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This is a one table SNG home tournament.
Player A is called all-in on the river.
The board was 7-5-4-3-3 with no flushes.
Player A shows 7-4 for two pair.
Player B (the mucker) throws his cards face down into the muck.
As the chips are being gathered, but before any cards on the table are touched... the mucker is asked what he had.
10-10 is the answer.
It is pointed out that that hand wins (2 pair, 10s and 3s)
At this point the top two cards were picked out of the muck and were shown to be 10-10.
Note: There is no question with respect to cheating, everybody agrees that the mucker had 10-10 and that the mucker had what would have been the winning hand.
Is the mucker’s hand valid, or is the hand as good as folded as soon as it hits the muck? |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 10:28am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3605
WPP: 61
Location: TAGfishery
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| good as folded IMO. if he cant read the board, then he deserves the lost pot |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 11:29am Post subject: |
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Strike 1
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 3161
WPP: 106
Location: Taking the second pitch...
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| Technically it's a fold. At our friendly/fun home games we have people show their cards when it's an all-in so we don't have these problems. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 5:21pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 88
WPP: 106
Location: Henderson, NV
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| Muck = fold, no question. |
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Posted: Sat, 14 Oct 2006, 7:08am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
WPP: 118
Location: Hartford, CT
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Muck = Fold. , No Question...QFT
This same thing happened to me. I thought I won because the guy threw his cards face down, then some Idiot asked him what did you have? then he turns over the two cards to show the winner, after he already folded, and I was pulling the chips in.
I WAS PISSED. Luckily I didn't go on tilt but I let everyone know at the table how F'd it was.
If someone wants to fold, let them. then get the cards all together as fast as possible., |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Jan 2007, 7:59pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 23
WPP: 92
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| Well it actualy depends on who asked if you can beleive that. The actual rule is if the winner asks to see the hand the hand is live again however if another player asks then the hand is still dead. You dont have to beleive me just look up the rules. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Jan 2007, 2:02pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
WPP: 118
Location: Hartford, CT
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something similar like this happened to me again last night in my Thursday night Donk fest. We were playing an 8 person freeze out, one guy joking looked at his cards and said, oh this is a mis deal. we didn't think anything of it, untill the action gets around to the SB, and we say what are you doing??, and he said oh, I thought it was a misdeal and threw my hand out..
we all said oh well....then the flop comes out and he's trying to look through the mucked cards saying I know what I had...blah,blah,blah.
we all said fxxk you, you folded you dumb ass. Pay attention next time.
This is the same guy who won't turn his cards over when he's all in and its heads up...how do we deal with that ass. |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Jan 2007, 11:43pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 23
WPP: 92
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| mrhappy333 wrote: | something similar like this happened to me again last night in my Thursday night Donk fest. We were playing an 8 person freeze out, one guy joking looked at his cards and said, oh this is a mis deal. we didn't think anything of it, untill the action gets around to the SB, and we say what are you doing??, and he said oh, I thought it was a misdeal and threw my hand out..
we all said oh well....then the flop comes out and he's trying to look through the mucked cards saying I know what I had...blah,blah,blah.
we all said fxxk you, you folded you dumb ass. Pay attention next time.
This is the same guy who won't turn his cards over when he's all in and its heads up...how do we deal with that ass. | IMO if your at a home game theres not much you can do but refuse to continue dealing the hand untill he turns them over. Mostly I would just take his chips cause he aperantly knows nothing of the game. |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Mar 2007, 7:57am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1320
WPP: 94
Location: Washington, D.C.
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wow, evoman, i was 100% sure you were wrong that mucked cards could ever come back from the dead... but then i looked up the rules as you suggested:
5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that is eligible to participate in the showdown, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.
http://www.homepokertourney.com/rules_roberts.htm#THE_SHOWDOWN
i learn something new every day!!!
ChezJ |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Mar 2007, 8:04am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102
WPP: 73
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| Wow so if anyone mucks there hand never ask them what they had. |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Mar 2007, 1:43pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1320
WPP: 94
Location: Washington, D.C.
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| yeah i have to say, it is bad sportsmanship to win a pot and then ask the loser what he called you with. it's like rubbing his face in it. if he happens to have a better hand, you deserve to lose the pot. |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Mar 2007, 5:27am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7697
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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god, im glad i didnt know this rule id have lost a huge pot i bluffed last night after i asked to see what a guy had folded!   |
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Posted: Wed, 10 Oct 2007, 9:53pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 09 Oct 2007
Posts: 6
WPP: 76
Location: Minnesota
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| yeah i thougt i knew that rule totally i just thought you could see them but i didnt know the hand was live |
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