Discussion thread: SnG Experiment North America Results

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First of all: this thing is awesome.

Second: I don't think you should stop there. Did you get my note about making a wiki? It's not hard. We should try to make it easier to do more of these without having someone responsible for cutting-and-pasting for hours.

thank you saucy...i really think this is gonna help everyones game. hopefully we can get to see it on the pokerxfactor replayer

Having some trouble getting the history posted properly. Sorry for the delays.

ouch my "reads" were way off. couldnt help but laughing after reading hand 105. i was pwned.

hand 97 - caeser imo you need to push here. even if you were utg i think its still a push

I'm very glad I didn't have any Ax hands the hand that Anon limped UTG to make a set of 8s Smile

On hand 85, I think there's a bit of confusion (since the two comments state different M's). fim's M here is 1200/150 = 8. An M of 8, however, doesn't necessitate push/fold play. That's usually something that's standard for an M of 5 (or about 10xBB). With an M of 8, you're almost never getting called by anything you're ahead of here, at least in my book. I think you still have enough chips to make a standard bet here.

I freaking LOVE this “experiment” and hope we can make it a regular thing. I kind of went overboard while reading through the HH and had a lot of stuff to say. If you played in this SnG, it’d be cool if you could read through my comments and perhaps answer some of the things I am interested in.

Hand 9: Was interesting. My thoughts to you, FS, are that I think a check/raise would have been better than a bet OOP if you were thinking about outplaying me at all. Hoping to check/call was pretty much out of the question because I would never have given you the right odds. Like I said in my commentary though, I think I should have reraised more. Even if you barely had odds to call though, I don't necesssarily think it's a good play in a SnG at this point because that's how you throw away a good chunk of your stack early. Stack size is so important in tourneys, and if you miss (which you usually will when you're drawing), you are forced to play with a short stack for a long time.

14: I really like the raise by JGB here. Deciding to play LAgg in a game like this is a good idea.

15: I would rather raise K3s than limp it, NH.

18: FS, I probably bet the flop. You would have bet the river if caesar had checked, right?

20: I disagree with limping TT here ... TT is a very strong hand even at a full table. I would have raised this without a second thought.

24: Big raise preflop, curious to know your thoughts on calling here, Gator.

28: Twice in the last few hands you've open limped 77, Gator. Your thoughts on the value of raising it up 4-handed, especially when you're on the button? I think it's worthwhile to play it stronger when it's so short-handed, even if it is early.

30: What caused you to raise the turn bet, Gator? He bet 3/4 of the pot, what made you think he was weak?

31: Surprised no one bet this river. Do either of you call the river if someone bets, Gator or fimanoid?

34: Why such a big raise here, Laeelin?

35: Moose, you raised KTo UTG a few hands ago, and in this hand you limped A9o on the button. Curious to know what your thinking was.

37: I like your analysis of your play, FS.

39: haha I am entertained by all the bad hands everyone got in this hand and how it was folded to the BB in a full STT at the 20 blind level Razz

42: Nice fold, fimanoid.

43: KJ is a pretty nice hand when folded to in the SB. Too early to raise the BB here? I usually raise this because I don't feel like giving the BB a free look at the flop with any two.

48: FS, I like folding this better. Maybe if you had more chips.

56: I think I like check/raising better than leading out, fjunal, but it DOES depend on the player. I would be likely to raise your OOP bet if I'm the preflop raiser when the stacks are deep-ish because OOP bettors often fold to a raise here.

58: Interesting hand, it's really cool to read the thoughts of the people watching the play here. Feels like so much is going on at once.

63: ATs would have been a raise on the CO for me, especially because the table was fairly tight. What kind of hand are you looking to hit here by limping that, fimanoid?

65: lol ... ouch @ the AK fold. A lot of aces in hole cards here.

66: I like the raise to 200 much more than to 150. Frustrating not getting action with AA though.

67: Interesting how Moose limping with such a variety of hands brought about this hand.

72: Nice thinking fjuanl. I probably would have raised this, but I like your line better.

74: Hmmm another big ace UTG fold, interesting ...

78: Shocked

Tough spot for FS here ...

97: FS, you say that you felt it was a big risk to take, but I think it’s a perfectly fine shove. I would be pushing a lot of hands a lot worse than Q9o here, I think.

98: You need to push this, FS. A couple hands later you raised A2o from MP, and I think raising K3s on the button is a much safer play.

101: caesar, I’m a “she”, not a “he” Sad

105: Very nice hand, Laeelin.

112: Definitely push that, FS.

113: Do you push over if I raise on this button, Gator?

115: Does anyone push fjuanl’s A3o here? The table had been tight and the action was folded to him. He needs chips. I think I push this …

116: I don’t like the small raise here, Gator. It’s push or fold for me …

Dunno what happened to the hands here … I’ll wait for FS to post them and then comment if there’s anything interesting in them.

140: We ran it through and as I suspected, I should have pushed. If the blinds have calling ranges of 66+,ATs+,AJo+, then I should have been pushing hands 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J2+,T2+,92+,82+,73o+,72s+,62+,52+,43o,42s+,32s … which is 97% of all the hands. Mad at myself for not pushing, I need something like this to come naturally when I’m playing. Oh well, next time I know. At least I thought about it seriously and suspected I should have pushed, it’s a start.

I know, JGB is out of my league for sure, but I plan to enter his league soon. Smile

I'm just glad he took the time for a $11 game. hehe

Also congrats to fimanoid, I think you made some stellar moves, particularly 3 handed.

Hand 45 was interesting to me too courtie, seeing as both you and JGB were thinking about "testing" the other.

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