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dalecooper
Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 11:20am    Post subject: Poker pet peeves Reply with quote
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What are yours? I have several, although some are making me money:

1. Guys who hang on to high cards too long and are determined to go down with the ship no matter what. Today, a guy raises it preflop to $1, and I call with pocket 7s. The flop comes 345 rainbow. He bets less than pot-sized, I am suspicious and double it. He goes all in for about $9 extra. I am deeply suspicious and call, thinking hey, I have an overpair, a gutshot straight draw, and two outs to the trips. Plus I'm curious, and this feels like a raw bluff. (The "curious" feeling is supposed to be how to lose money in poker, but...) Turn is a blank, river is my third 7, and I win. The hand he mucked (I looked it up thanks to Party's little in-game hand history) was AKo. Going all in with six outs and only two cards to come? Foolish. I don't mind taking his money but you have to wonder how often guys like this bet you off of the winning hand.

2. Habitual check-raisers. They will check-raise anything. The flop could come complete garbage, they'll check-raise you with top pair or even just overcards. Because my natural tendency is to stab at unraised pots, this is one that bugs the hell out of me. If I ID a guy as one of these types of players, I'll stop betting into pots without at least top pair when they're still in the hand.

3. Chronic limpers. People who won't pre-flop raise but will call any raise up to 6X BB with basically any hand. They're eliminating the purpose of the raise. Yesterday I found myself at a pot-limit table with like four of these players - it was really weird. After a while I stopped pre-flop raising and started limping every playable hand, and then just betting when I hit a monster. (At a no-limit table I might have gone the other direction and started really cranking up the pre-flop raises.)

And here's one that used to annoy me until I realized how profitable it was: guys who minimum bet over and over, no matter what they hold. One of these players was minimum betting at me today with a full house. I kept calling with a weak two pair and he made like $1.50 on the hand. That was silly. What I see a lot of is guys with top pair or better betting like that, and guys like me keep calling (because the pot odds are ridiculously good) and hitting weird straights and backdoor flushes. Now I seek out these players. The more of them at a table, the better. They can usually be bet out of most any pot because they don't like big action, and they won't bet you out even when their hand is way better than yours on the flop.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 11:34am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 11:37am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I hate trash talkers, especially when what they are saying is all crap.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 11:39am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Les_'worm' wrote:
My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!


Cash games, I don't mind them. It's the late in a tourny bluffers who keep one more guy alive. It drives me mad. Mad with anger.

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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 12:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ok so i hate the player that makes a big stack in a SNG out o pure luck, and then when it gets on the bubble he starts calling all ins with pure crap so he lets players recover of him. Ughh i hate that kind of player...


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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 12:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My list of peeves could go on and on.

-Dry pot bluffers, in tourneys. Ring games I see no problem.
-rabbit hunters
-people who whine about AA "always" losing etc.
-people who say "alright, gimme some pocket aces" before every other hand
-people who say "you got Ace-Jack?" if you bet when the board is KQT. Or they say "you got 67?" if the board is 458. Or whatever.
-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them

But the number one Patented Pet Peeve o' LeFou for all time:
-People who bust me in the Gauntlet !!!!!!!!!
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:06pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As profitable as they are, calling stations bug me. But it's more because they don't present enough of a challenge, and don't seem particularly interested in winning. (not that I mind it, it's more the principle of the thing)

People who look at their hole cards for the 8th time in the hand. What? Did they change from the first 7 times you looked? (this happens a LOT when playing Omaha Hi/Lo 8-or-better)
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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elanto wrote:
Ok so i hate the player that makes a big stack in a SNG out o pure luck, and then when it gets on the bubble he starts calling all ins with pure crap so he lets players recover of him. Ughh i hate that kind of player...


-anto


Got a guy like that who always plays in my home games. We call him the Healthinator. He plays loose/aggressive early and manages to get a big stack most of the time, then just calls everybody else's big bets for the rest of the night. When he gets the chips, it's just an indication that the tournament is going to last longer than usual as he patiently redistributes all those chips back to their original owners.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LeFou wrote:

-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them


Yeah, I "love" that one. Pot's $6, they bet .50 on the flop (with three callers) and a dollar on the turn (with two callers) and then complain that the two pair they flopped died to your gutshot straight. Hi-larious.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People who make a blatantly "wrong" play...and beat me! Mad

People who flat call a pot-sized bet on the flop and the turn with nothing. Shame on them for scaring me. Sad
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I forgot to mention one of my biggest frustrations - pot-juicers. Often this is the same guy who constantly minimum-bets no matter what he holds. In this case, visualize a situation at a no limit table, blinds are .25/.50, and maybe five have limped in... small blind calls, then the big blind raises it to $1.

This is a useless raise. Not one of the people who limped in will fold. The only possible strategic purpose of this raise is if your hand is the magical great hand that can hold up and win a large percentage of the time in a six or seven-way pot. i.e. You better hold kings or aces if you do this. And then you still better have your good luck charms on your person. A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 1:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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dalecooper wrote:
A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY.


I agree this raise is annoying, but I hadn't thought of this tactic to use against them. I like this idea! I'll give it a shot next time someone tries this when I'm in the hand.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 2:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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this fuckin guy i've played with 3 times in a live NL tourney, he folds EVERY single time i bet, so i have to check raise him.
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jmontis wrote:
this fuckin guy i've played with 3 times in a live NL tourney, he folds EVERY single time i bet, so i have to check raise him.


I don't see the problem. Folds every time you bet = slowly giving you money. Bleed him all night. Oh, and pre-flop raise all night too. If he wants to play, make him give you money to do so. Then bet the flop no matter what and watch him fold. Rocks are hard to beat quickly but they present almost no variance. They will lose to aggressive players eventually, unless they're hitting the cards of a lifetime.
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Post Posted: Fri, 17 Dec 2004, 4:13pm    Post subject: Re: Poker pet peeves Reply with quote
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dalecooper wrote:
What are yours? I have several, although some are making me money:

1. Guys who hang on to high cards too long and are determined to go down with the ship no matter what. Today, a guy raises it preflop to $1, and I call with pocket 7s. The flop comes 345 rainbow. He bets less than pot-sized, I am suspicious and double it. He goes all in for about $9 extra. I am deeply suspicious and call, thinking hey, I have an overpair, a gutshot straight draw, and two outs to the trips. Plus I'm curious, and this feels like a raw bluff. (The "curious" feeling is supposed to be how to lose money in poker, but...) Turn is a blank, river is my third 7, and I win. The hand he mucked (I looked it up thanks to Party's little in-game hand history) was AKo. Going all in with six outs and only two cards to come? Foolish. I don't mind taking his money but you have to wonder how often guys like this bet you off of the winning hand.

2. Habitual check-raisers. They will check-raise anything. The flop could come complete garbage, they'll check-raise you with top pair or even just overcards. Because my natural tendency is to stab at unraised pots, this is one that bugs the hell out of me. If I ID a guy as one of these types of players, I'll stop betting into pots without at least top pair when they're still in the hand.

3. Chronic limpers. People who won't pre-flop raise but will call any raise up to 6X BB with basically any hand. They're eliminating the purpose of the raise. Yesterday I found myself at a pot-limit table with like four of these players - it was really weird. After a while I stopped pre-flop raising and started limping every playable hand, and then just betting when I hit a monster. (At a no-limit table I might have gone the other direction and started really cranking up the pre-flop raises.)

And here's one that used to annoy me until I realized how profitable it was: guys who minimum bet over and over, no matter what they hold. One of these players was minimum betting at me today with a full house. I kept calling with a weak two pair and he made like $1.50 on the hand. That was silly. What I see a lot of is guys with top pair or better betting like that, and guys like me keep calling (because the pot odds are ridiculously good) and hitting weird straights and backdoor flushes. Now I seek out these players. The more of them at a table, the better. They can usually be bet out of most any pot because they don't like big action, and they won't bet you out even when their hand is way better than yours on the flop.



Sounds more like a list of ways to beat you then a list of pet peeves. All of these "pet peeves" you mentioned refer to a type of player you should welcome onto your table because they make it very profitable if you learn to play them correctly. Should retitle the post "My Favorite Type of Players to Sit With"
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Post Posted: Sat, 18 Dec 2004, 12:42am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LeFou wrote:
My list of peeves could go on and on.

-Dry pot bluffers, in tourneys. Ring games I see no problem.
-rabbit hunters
-people who whine about AA "always" losing etc.

-people who say "alright, gimme some pocket aces" before every other hand
-people who say "you got Ace-Jack?" if you bet when the board is KQT. Or they say "you got 67?" if the board is 458. Or whatever.
-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them


red my mind
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Post Posted: Sat, 18 Dec 2004, 4:21am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dislike bluffing into a dry side pot, that is definately annoying. I don't understand the irritation with pot juicers though, 6 callers of a min-raise means a 6$ pot on the flop (25NL), and you'd be amazed at how loose people on party get when there is a decent pot in the center, the implied odds are enormous. Of couse, you dont use this tactic with garbage, but speculative hands -- like small pocket pairs, suited connecters, etc -- become even more profitable.


What I find the most annoying is the rude table talk, there's no reason to treat fellow players the way some do. If a fish makes a bad call and gets lucky, someone should just say nh, the asses forget where a winning players income comes from.
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Post Posted: Sat, 18 Dec 2004, 11:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't like players that are better than me. everything else is usually huge+EV if it stands out as pet peeve so I'm cool with that.
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Post Posted: Sun, 19 Dec 2004, 12:47am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Mostly some of the ones already mentioned.

"people who whine about AA "always" losing etc."
"People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them"

And then:

People that throw a hissy fit every time they get outdrawn.

People that are ridiculously rude to players whenever they lose a big pot, whether or not the other person played the hand badly.

People that complain about losing a coinflip, or say they never win them. Sure ...

And people that think online poker sites are rigged, and that's the reason they lose money at the game. It has nothing to do with their play, really!
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Post Posted: Sun, 19 Dec 2004, 10:22am    Post subject: Re: Poker pet peeves Reply with quote
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superdave wrote:

Sounds more like a list of ways to beat you then a list of pet peeves. All of these "pet peeves" you mentioned refer to a type of player you should welcome onto your table because they make it very profitable if you learn to play them correctly.


It's almost like you read my post and paraphrased it. Are there no poker players who annoy you even though you're making money off of them? You can make money off of guys who get really mad over beats and rant & rave, but I don't care to play poker with them.
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people that check top pair when im in last pos. with top pair but with a horrible kicker and just call my bets down to the river and i get out kicked.....that makes me soooooooo mad!

note: maybe i should stop beting into them
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