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Posted: Wed, 09 Aug 2006, 1:24pm Post subject: TerryToma's blog |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Hello everyone,
Im a FR 25NL / bonuswhore who would like to improve. I have Poker Tracker, gametime+, 2 1600x1200 monitors. Recent PT stats 29/7.
Thinking about getting pokeracehud.
I would like to join this community, as I have been a long time luker. (edit: Lurker double )
Goals:
1) Move up with correct Bankroll Management. 100NL by Halloween
2) Be able to sustain 1200$/month in withdrawls to pay for a new car for the wife. [edit after I make it to 100nl]
3) Maintain a 6bb/100 at 100NL.
4) Cut down on tilting.
5) Dabble in MTTs, I have won a couple on WPEX already
6) Become a positive contributor on here, with a blog by 2/07.
I feel that my stay down at 25NL has been wayyy too long, and it has led me to some bad habits. I had my worst 24 hrs in poker yesterday, and I am on my second time around the newbie circle of death. I have been playing on hollywood and PokerStars recently.
Thanks.
(update, here is my current graph, ill update THIS image every post. y axis = USdollars)
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Last edited by TerryToma on Sun, 24 Sep 2006, 10:10pm; edited 16 times in total
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Posted: Wed, 09 Aug 2006, 3:35pm Post subject: Re: First Post, with goals. |
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Flush

Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 425 WPP: 109
Location: trying to outdraw the nuts
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| TerryToma wrote: |
I would like to join this community, as I have been a long time luker.
Goals:
1) Move up with correct Bankroll Management. 100NL by Halloween
great goal
2) Be able to sustain 1200$/month in withdrawls to pay for a new car for the wife.
BMWs are expensive
3) Maintain a 6bb/100 at 100NL.
good goal
4) Cut down on tilting.
another great goal
5) Dabble in MTTs, I have won a couple on WPEX already
winning ain't ez but it sure is fun
6) Become a positive contributor on here, with a blog by 2/07.
check this off, goal obtained
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i hope you can do it
good luck
flomo |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Aug 2006, 9:47pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Thanks for the hospitality Flomo
Tonight I played a small session. I have scrapped my entire game plan, as it has run me around the newbie circle of death for the second time. I think reading Super System 2 always gets me in some bad habits. I win a few hands with crappy starting hands, then start losing some big hands.
I have now dedicated myself to Renton's strategy. My stats are 27/10 tonight after 400 hands. I played well but ran a flopped set into set and a flopped str8 into nut str8. Basically broke even tonight.
I dont think my numbers will stay at 27/10, but at hollywood 25NL, there are a ton of hands where everyone limps, plus the small blind is .15c, which may lead me to completing more than I should.
FTR is a great community with an excellent interface, I'm glad to be a (newb) part of it. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 12:22pm Post subject: |
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Flush

Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Posts: 296 WPP: 90
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| TerryToma wrote: |
I dont think my numbers will stay at 27/10, but at hollywood 25NL, there are a ton of hands where everyone limps, plus the small blind is .15c, which may lead me to completing more than I should. |
You and I must be playing at different Hollywood sites. I also play the 25NL there and typically find 4-5 tighties per table. I seldom see more than 3, maybe 4 to the flop. Are you running a HUD at HP? That's where I get my stats.
I do agree on completing the SB too often. It's an identified leak for me that I am working very hard to fix. It is just soooooo tempting to complete with 9 6 sooted ... thinking ... "boy if this hits, I am stacking someone" ... gotta stop that. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 12:28pm Post subject: Re: First Post, with goals. |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3433 WPP: 60
Location: TAGfishery
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| TerryToma wrote: | | 2) Be able to sustain 1200$/month in withdrawls to pay for a new car for the wife. |
is she getting a ferrari? |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 12:30pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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| KingLizard wrote: | | TerryToma wrote: |
I dont think my numbers will stay at 27/10, but at hollywood 25NL, there are a ton of hands where everyone limps, plus the small blind is .15c, which may lead me to completing more than I should. |
You and I must be playing at different Hollywood sites. I also play the 25NL there and typically find 4-5 tighties per table. I seldom see more than 3, maybe 4 to the flop. Are you running a HUD at HP? That's where I get my stats.
I do agree on completing the SB too often. It's an identified leak for me that I am working very hard to fix. It is just soooooo tempting to complete with 9 6 sooted ... thinking ... "boy if this hits, I am stacking someone" ... gotta stop that. |
Woops, change "everyone limps" to.. "no one raises". Yes I use a HUD. Table stats are commonly 25/4 at 25NL. When I have tried to move up to 50NL i get absolutely killed. Those table stats are closer to 20/9, with much more PFRs and RR PF. There are hardly any RRs PF at 25NL. When you do see it, it usually means AA/KK, and typically a min RR (from 1$ to 1.75$).
I get tempted way too much to limp behind. The SB is killing me. Last night I had J7s, and 89T flops. Got stacked by QJ. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 12:51pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 1715 WPP: 136
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| Are you playing full ring to see table averages like those? |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 12:54pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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| andy-akb wrote: | | Are you playing full ring to see table averages like those? |
Yeah its full ring, NL. There are a lot of tables there, second only to PS and Party. I had been killing the stakes for a month, but really struggled this last week. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 1:45pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 943 WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| don't withdraw while playting 25nl |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 2:43pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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| Bmxicle wrote: | | don't withdraw while playting 25nl |
Thanks for the advice. No more withdrawing until I make it to 100NL. I guess I just get greedy, and want to buy things with my "hard earned" money. Like 2 1600x1200s and a new gateway.
I have tried moving up to play full stacked 50NL and gotten killed for about 250$ each time. I am going to do it right this time, and hopefully succeed.
4 tabled for an hour today, took a stack with a flopped str8 v set via BB special. Otherwise I think I played pretty well, ran 19/7 (first time under 20 in months).
I have really cut down on my playing. I was playing close to 2500hands/day 8 tabling for hours upon hours. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 3:00pm Post subject: Re: First Post, with goals. |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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| Bode-ist wrote: | | TerryToma wrote: | | 2) Be able to sustain 1200$/month in withdrawls to pay for a new car for the wife. |
is she getting a ferrari? |
Lol, no. She wants the Honda Pilot EX-L. I am trying to build up a down payment/save for future payments. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 4:14pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Posts: 79 WPP: 74
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| Going to pay it off in a year? |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 4:42pm Post subject: Re: First Post, with goals. |
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Flush

Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 425 WPP: 109
Location: trying to outdraw the nuts
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| TerryToma wrote: | | Honda Pilot EX-L |
great choice
very jealous |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 7:08pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Still following Renton's PF guide for the most part. Running 7bb/100 at 25NL FR on PokerRoom skins.
Stats for last 2 days:
VPIP/PFR: 22/9
AF: 1.93/2.7/2.5
I have been working on my 2nd barrels, especially against weak/tights with high VPIPs. I read in Slansky that donks call a lot of pot-sized flop bets with a draw, even mid pair, but a quick to let go on the turn to any more resistance.
Advice/encouragement appreciated.
As I said earlier, most of the tables I play at are 25/5 overall. Can anyone give me a few examples of table norms at full ring at the 50NL/100NL/200NL?
.toma |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Aug 2006, 11:33pm Post subject: |
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High Card

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 1 WPP: 5
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Posted: Fri, 11 Aug 2006, 5:18pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Ouch, this hurts. I have imploded since my last post. I stopped my session in 80 hands b/c my confidence is gone right now.
I'd post hand histories but the converter isnt working.
I lost 2.5 buyins in 80 hands today (in order)
1) got sucked out: bb special nut st8 ai on flop. On turn, 2 villains hit flush
2) got pushed off QQ on 678 rainbow flop by 99 (who 4bet preflop)
3) got aces cracked multiway pot AA << 777 (probably tilting from #1&2)
Yesterday lost net of 1 buyin:
Lost AA to 99 on a 889 flop. Half stacked c/r'd AI K62 flop 62o v my KQ.
Weekends are crazy. Usually my most profitable days but also most variance due to the maniacs.
Any advice/encouragement is appreciated. |
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Posted: Sat, 12 Aug 2006, 12:51am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Welp the rest of the night went much better. I spent a good part of the night thinking about the strategy that got me started in online poker.. The dreaded shortstacking appraoch. I wrote about it on this thread.
www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-40796.htm
I used this strategy for a few months in Dec 2005, early '06. I would alternate between 6max & ring and play pretty steady/low variance poker.
I wrote about why I couldnt be profitable using it b/c I was too aggresive now. Well I took that as a challenge to myself and actually played a little shortstack 50NL (bought in at 15$) on PokerRoom, made 70bb at a rate of 17bb/100. No doubt I was running a little hot, but I took that confidence back into the ring game.
It seems that my problem was blind aggression. I was just trying to force hands rather than "pick spots" as they say. I was trying to run people over with my AA, even though I could have found out they were cracked.
Then I 8 tabled for a few hours tonight on stars/hollywood. 2000 hand later I won back my previous losses + another 3 buyins. Variance leveled back and even after my first horrible 80 hands I'm back to 7bb/100. I have been running 23/8 last 2k hands. I'll post my pt stats once I get to 10k hands.
The hand histories in the other forums have really helped me think a bit more about how to get more value out of TP and overpairs. Overall I was trying to muscle people out of the pot whenever I had them, and fold to resistence. Talk about minimizing my gains/increasing losses.
Thanks for reading! If anyone has any q's about my shortstack strategy, let me know. It seems to be pretty hot in the 6max/high stakes holdem lately. As I said, I always run a full 100bbs at 25NL, and top off. But the shorstack at higher levels really lets me take a break from the monotony.
.toma |
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Posted: Sat, 12 Aug 2006, 2:01am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 3037 WPP: 95
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| KingLizard wrote: | | I do agree on completing the SB too often. It's an identified leak for me that I am working very hard to fix. It is just soooooo tempting to complete with 9 6 sooted ... thinking ... "boy if this hits, I am stacking someone" ... gotta stop that. |
Nope, continue doing it, and stack people. Just don't go deep with top pair or a dog two pair. 37 won the WSOP last year, and it wasn't even cash game. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Aug 2006, 6:46am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 2660 WPP: 105
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| I complete alot as well, but i always remember what i'm trying to accomplish with the cards I have. I tend to not complete with trash, but anything that can make for a str8, flush or an invisible 2pair I will play but play it for what you originally intended. don't get all worked up with 2 pair against aggression and chase your flush and str8's when you have odds. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Aug 2006, 10:37pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Well I decided to rename this post from "First post, with goals" to "TerryToma's blog."
I am excited about how many replies this thread has had, so I have decided to keep it going. I will post thoughts about what works and doesnt at my current level of poker. Current level is 25NL, dedicated bank rolls is ~600$. I will not be withdrawing, and I will be moving up using the 20buy-in rule. I cannot wait until I am at 100NL, as I feel there are a number of bonuses that will become quite profitable at this level.
Today was all about learning to adjust to the tables. There were definitely higher avg pots than I have seen in a while (10-15$ on PokerRoom skins, and 8-11$ on PokerStars). I truly believe that the college students are getting back to their dorms with some extra time on their hands this week. This lead to much looser play by opponents. I was playing my standard raise any pocket pair from any position if I'm the first to act, and cbet most flops. This turned out to be a bit of a leak at this level. People were calling down with mid-pair all over the place!
I was also getting re-raised preflop like crazy! I'd put in a raise in MP with 66, then a re-raise would happen, then an all in by the blinds. I'd have to fold. Table averages were much closer to 32vpip/9pfr at the start of my session. I decided to be a bit more selective about my pfr's in early/mp.
This was really exciting to be able to win a big pot with TPTK again. When tables are this loose, my AA/KK are much more profitable as people like to rr before the flop, and raise if they flop a draw. I finally got to practice a c/r AI on the turn with KK as an overpair today against someone who was a bit too agro with his draw.
Later on after midnight, the tables started tightening up back to around 24/5. Then I could start to loosen up and win more pots with c-bets. I am really trying to incooporate the table stats into my game. I ended up about 11bb/100, but would be nearly double that if top 2 pair didnt fill up against my flopped set. Overall I feel as if I played very well tonight. I am optimistic in general.
I am a bit worried about the senate trying to push through the bill. It seems frist+republicans are going to try and distance themselves from the scandal plagued jack abramoff. I really hope the bill gets killed.
Ok enough rambling, Im going to post some HH's. I will also post my first 10k stats since joining FTR at the appropriate time. I am currently at around 7k.
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Posted: Tue, 15 Aug 2006, 4:30am Post subject: |
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One Pair

Joined: 31 Jul 2006
Posts: 18 WPP: 122
Location: Sweden
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Good luck man. I will keep an eye on this one  |
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Posted: Tue, 15 Aug 2006, 5:54pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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Welp, switched it up a bit today. I played 8 tables of 25 POT Limit Poker on PokerRoom. I made a killing. Havent played against players this bad in quite some time. I ran 77BB/100! I adjust my game to the pot limit structure as well, was 30/12 pre flop. I would like to get into a discussion about the differences in potlimit .25/.25 vs .15/.25NL if someone is interested.
However, here's an example of the horrible players:
Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
8 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with :8s :6s
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB (poster) checks, BB raises to $1.25, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.
Flop: :5s :10s :7s ($5.5, 4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $5, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, MP1 calls.
Turn: :9s ($25.5, 2 players)
MP1 bets $5, Hero calls.
River: :jh ($35.5, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero is all-in $12, MP1 calls.
Results:
Final pot: $59.5
MP1 shows 2d3s
Hero show straight flush
I think I found my new home for a while. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 Aug 2006, 7:36pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 809 WPP: 72
Location: wisconsin
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| Trainer_jyms wrote: | | I complete alot as well, but i always remember what i'm trying to accomplish with the cards I have. I tend to not complete with trash, but anything that can make for a str8, flush or an invisible 2pair I will play but play it for what you originally intended. don't get all worked up with 2 pair against aggression and chase your flush and str8's when you have odds. |
Thats the beauty of pot limit .25/.25! You start the hand in SB with a full blind and dont have to feel guilty about it. Plus this brings the % seeing flop on most tables is usually 40+%. I have really enjoyed being able to control the size of the pot with hands like TPTK, and not have to worry about losing my entire stack with a hand like this.
Heres a funny hand, I played it like a complete donk on purpose, and seeing what he had on the river made me feel like I played it perfectly. He took a lot of time before calling both the turn and river bets.
Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
10 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $16.55
UTG+1: $22.25
Hero: $24.00
MP1: $32.40
MP2: $4.05
MP3: $19.25
CO: $15.00
Button: $56.30
SB: $16.70
BB: $9.00
Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+2 with J J
2 folds, [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $1[/color], 5 folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: J K K ($2.25, 2 players)
[color:#cc0000]SB bets $1[/color], [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $2[/color], [color:#cc0000]SB raises to $3[/color], [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $4[/color], SB calls.
Turn: 3 ($10.25, 2 players)
SB checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $3[/color], SB calls.
River: 4 ($16.25, 2 players)
SB checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $5.25[/color], SB calls.
Results:
Final pot: $26.75
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