H0H1 Part 3 Discussion

*Last edited by Eric on Tue, 15 Aug 2006, 8:57pm; edited 1 time in total*

I agreed to do the Part 3 Reading the Table questions today since zook is out.

1. Harrington says,

As no one else has replied, I might as well kick off.

1) In online situations I agree. However if you are playing live it doesn't matter how well you hide your betting patterns; if you cannot hide your physical tells you are not going to be a regular winner.

2) Pre-Flop: I would say A and then C. A to help determine what range of cards they might have. C to help me decide what to raise by.
Flop: D will help in how to play the hand (should I check or raise).
Turn/River: B - again this will help in how I play the hand... Are they likely to be a calling station and catch a lucky card?

3) For me they are almost equal (but thinking about my image is a new thing for me).

4) I do not multi-table enough to answer.

5) Again I do not FT MTTs enough to answer. However, before I get knocked out Smile

, I do make as many notes as I can (you never know when you will meet them again).

Great questions Eric. Little disappointed that there's only one reply... is HOH a bad choice for Book Club? Too straightforward? 16 people voted for it, and I wasn't one of them, so where is everybody???

1. Online, I agree. And with the caliber of players Dan usually plays with live, it's probably true too.

2. I think B is the most important in terms of winning significant money from someone. I gain the most information when I see a player showdown a hand and then go back to the hand history and see how he played it all the way through. You don't have this luxury live, but online I think it's the best tool you have.

3. I think A & B are more important than C, because at 50NL I don't think there are very many keen observers. Players push back at you if you've been playing and raising a large percentage pre-flop, so my VPIP and PFR% are the first things I think about when trying to evaluate my table image.

4. Yes. It hurts a lot. I currently 5- or 6-table and try to take notes, but a lot of the action moves too fast. I'm sure this hurts me, but I'd like to think I make up for it in winrate. Hard to know though.

5. In the few MTTs (~10) I've played I've tried to take notes throughout. Most of them turn out to be useless, but a few times I've ended up at tables late in the tourney and been really glad to have notes from earlier.

I'll post some questions on Part 4 later this week. It would be really nice to get more discussion going. Especially questions from people other than me and Eric, and hand histories!

Here are my thoughts:

1. It depends on the definition of "betting patterns". If the definition is broad enough and takes enough variables into account then yes, 99% of the time. The 1% no is because we are not computers or robots, we are human beings. It reminds me of the Matrix when Neo has a choice. Even though our "betting patterns" show that we've made a certain move hundreds of times in the past, it does not guarantee that we will make the same move the next time the opportunity comes up.

2. How many hands my opponents play(A) is the most important read for me.

3. How many hands have I been playing(A) is the question I ask myself when trying to determine what my opponents think of my play.

4. The most I play is 4 tables at once. Yes, playing more tables makes it more difficult for me to pick up detailed reads on any single table.

5. I concentrate more on reads as I get closer to the money and closer to the final table.

I'm learning a lot re-reading it too. And HOH2 was better than 1, imo, so I'm looking forward to that. Now if I could only find time to play some tourneys Smile

Part 4 questions up in a few hours...

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