a lesson in counterfeits (& domination)

sorry, hand history not converting it properly...

6 handed 1/2

PREFLOP:
Hero is button with A Club

6

UTG folds
UTG+1 calls
CO folds
Hero raises (position and value raise)
SB reraises
BB caps
UTG+1 calls
Hero calls (almost 10:1 for this call)

FLOP: 8BB
A Spade

6

2

SB bets
BB raises
UTG+1 folds
Hero reraises
SB caps
BB calls
Hero calls

TURN: 14BB
8 Club

SB bets
BB raises
Hero calls (ok i'm afraid of AA right now)
SB calls

RIVER: 20BB
8 Spade

man mother f*cking the worse possible card just fell.
SB checks
BB bets
Hero calls (i probably could have folded here and save 2 bucks...20:1 for my call...maybe i could win this more than 5% of the time...)
SB calls

guess what they had.

Pre-flop is close when it's 2 back to you (without a read.)

Turn is interesting too. Not bad...

It would be tough for me to call pre flop even getting almost ten to one. A6 suited is not a good enough hand for me to call two cold, even if I am on the button and the pot odds are good. The fact whether or not you should have called preflop is definitely debatable. Once you see the flop, the post flop play was solid. The BB played overly aggressive in thinking his A with an 8 kicker was probably going to be at the end of the hand which caused a misread on your part, thinking he may have had AA. He happened to pair his kicker and got lucky on the turn. and even more lucky by the river. Given his action and the cards, I still would have called him down. You can't fold in that large of a pot for one bet unless you are 100 percent sure you are beat.

Fold this one pre-flop? What's the difference between ATs and A6s if you know you're dominated?

Both opponents are rocks, table is playing weak/tight.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with A Diamond

, T

.
UTG folds, Fnord raises, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Fnord calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) Q Spade

, 8

(3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Fnord folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 5 Spade

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, UTG+2 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 3 Spade

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has Ks Kh (flush, king high).
MP2 has Qc Qd (full house, queens full of eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins 15.75 BB.

I think it's a fine call at 10:1 odds
Domination is irrelevant, you are playing for the nut crub frush. Of course, when you hit 2 pair, you can get trapped.

Just because it's been a while since you posted this with no answer - here is my "freakshow" guess - they both had A2.

fine here's some hints

i was dominated preflop.
then it became reverse dominated on the flop
and then the river reverse reverse dominated

A7o both?

EDIT: I keep changing my mind hehe

Im assuming ace-rag, but higher than yours (according to the title Smile

). A9o seems appropriate (not as a good decision, mind you).

No one wants to discuss the merits of calling vs raising the turn?

assuming no one is dumb enough to cap the betting with a8 is giving your opponents too much credit at a 1/2 table. One of them could have also been calling due to the implied odds. Was the pot split by the bb and sb? Assuming no one will reraise and cap with A8. you had to be left with aces and eights with a six kicker. They could have had anything from AK to A9. I would guess a9 because that is the only thing that would have made me furious enough to share this story of horror. Anything else I would have likely forgotten over the course of the sesssion.

fnord, given the aggressive betting, it would be hard to say if anyone would have folded on the turn after hero reraises especially since both already have turn bets in the pot. I don't know if it would have been enough to induce a check on the river from other players. Even if it did and hero was first into the pot on the river, they might put him on eight full of A's. Wouldn't it be likely they would call anyway due to the size of the pot?
Am I anywhere close to what you were thinking about the turn?

AK and AQ cannot fold the turn, even if they know for a fact that you flopped 2 pr. they each have 6 outs to beat you, 3 K's/Q's and 3 8's. they only need 7:1 to call, but the pot is laying 14:1 at the beginning of the round, 19:1 after you call the raise. how can they fold?

ChezJ

Sometimes you KNOW you should fold preflop...

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q Spade

, A

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO 3-bets, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 caps, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 6 Spade

, 6

7

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, CO calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) A Spade

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, CO calls.

River: (8.70 BB) T Spade

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has Ac Kh (two pair, aces and sixes).
CO has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 10.70 BB.

I think you raise the turn - maybe of of them folds, which makes your hand much better. Might also defer to you on the river, and you could check that counterfiet card.

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