Is Party Poker fixed?

*Last edited by RHCNNN on Thu, 12 Jan 2006, 1:10pm; edited 1 time in total*

Hi there, I'm a fish. 10 games is a huge sample size to me. Top pair doesn't always hold up. Party Poker must be rigged because I am teH BesTT player in TeH worl and I didn't win my last 10 games.
thanks,
that is all.

Sucks to be you.

Report them.

support@partypoker.com

-'rilla

Yeah man, Party Poker is known a lot for being rigged around here.

Do a search on the forums here at FTR and you'll find out a lot more information......

Rolling Eyes

I don't know if it is actually fixed but it sure seems like it sometimes. Very Happy

I've heard the same story before around here. A guy cashes out or partially cashes out and then gets bad beat after bad beat.

I haven't tried cashing out yet but I play a lot of live games and I sure think there is something fishy with the cards on Party Poker.

For example:

1. Flushes on the flop. In an average sit n go you see this happen 3 or 4 times within 50-70 hands. In the live games I play in it "might" happen once in a night. Approx 75-100 hands or more.

2. Pocket pairs. When you get one be very careful because there's usually one or two other people who have one too. If not they'll have Big Slick. I can't tell you how many times I've seen AA vs. KK on Party Poker. Its weird but it just seems like the pocket pairs come in bunches which doesn't seem to happen all that much in live games.

3. Ever notice how a guy will lose a huge pot and be almost out and then go all in on the next hand with junk cards like 64o. He'll get called by a guy with a legitimate hand and the flop comes 6 4 6 and the guy wins and is right back in the game. Seems to happen quite a bit.

Now I'm not saying that these things only happen on Party Poker. Weird things can happen with cards and you drive yourself crazy thinking about the odds of certain things happening and then happening again and again.

I've seen all kinds of weird things happen playing in live games too it just seems to happen with a lot more frequency on Party Poker. There is a definate pattern you pick up on if you play alot.

I've read these posts before and people usually respond saying that the guy is an idiot or he's playing more hands online so you see more weird things. Etc. I wonder how many of those guys actually play in live games? And how often? If you primarily play online you probably wouldn't notice anything fishy.

I tell ya I play at PartyPoker quite a bit and in ALOT of live games too. There is definately something going on with the cards at PartyPoker.

I seem to be winning though so I'm not complaining too much.

Well, some of that speculation to me is kind of silly. I mean, that kind of stuff happens all the time - and the reason it happens "all the time" is because those "crazy" situations are the ones that are memorable, not because it actually happens any more than mathematically expected. I believe there are auditing systems in place that require online casinos to dump the data on all hands played out. If there is statistical significance to any "rigged" cards, they will be shut down. There is no incentive for Party, or any online casino, to favor one player over another. They are making a killing with the rake and tourney entry fees, and have no real reason to deal cards that cause players to get bad beats. The risk of being caught, if they actually were systematically and programatically screwing people, far outweighs the benefit of maybe making a few extra bucks on a higher rake every now and then.

Fluctuation in bankroll should be expected. In fact, even on SnG's you might hit a string of games where you don't make it in the money. If you have 70 in your account, and have a string of 10 bad beat $5+1 Sng's (which is not even close to unheard of), you'll just about be broke.

Here's the thing. Last night, in a single SnG, I was delt so many high pocket pairs it made my head spin. In only 81 hands, here are the pocket pairs I got:

88
kk
aa
qq
aa
jj
44
77
kk
88
88

The 2nd - 5th ones (kk, aa, qq, aa) were delt to me 4 HANDS IN A ROW. Check out the bad beat on the KK hand. The next 3 hands were me wanting someone to think I was on complete tilt, and calling. Probably should have played them better... heh Hand history posted below. I only altered my screen name because I am paranoid of you onlookers knowing who i am. Laughing

The point is, I was really happy I got these cards, but it's not like this kind of stuff happens "all the time." Consider how many hands you play, and how many times your 88 takes down the pot when the flop is AQ8, instead of getting a bad beat by a guy with A3.

***** Hand History for Game 1244036418 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:15:46 EST 2004
Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jamesnora (685)
Seat 2: CrazyGus (710)
Seat 3: Telestic (710)
Seat 4: sdox12 (900)
Seat 5: Tongue37 (1482)
Seat 6: tsunami55 (905)
Seat 7: shuschle (595)
Seat 8: COOP1870 (323)
Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (740)
Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (950)
Telestic posts small blind (15)
sdox12 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Kd, Ks ]
Tongue37 calls (30)
tsunami55 folds.
shuschle folds.
COOP1870 folds.
Nobodys_Slo raises (60) to 60
FlyingSaucerAttack calls (60)
jamesnora folds.
CrazyGus folds.
Telestic calls (45)
sdox12 calls (30)
Tongue37 calls (30)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Kh, 3h ]
Telestic checks.
sdox12 checks.
Tongue37 checks.
Nobodys_Slo bets (200)
FlyingSaucerAttack raises (400) to 400
Telestic folds.
sdox12 folds.
Tongue37 folds.
Nobodys_Slo raises (400) to 600
FlyingSaucerAttack raises (400) to 800
Nobodys_Slo calls (80)
Nobodys_Slo is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ]
Creating Main Pot with $1660 with Nobodys_Slo
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1660 | Side Pot 1: 120
Board: [ Jc Kh 3h 2c Tc ]
jamesnora balance 685, didn't bet (folded)
CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded)
Telestic balance 650, lost 60 (folded)
sdox12 balance 840, lost 60 (folded)
Tongue37 balance 1422, lost 60 (folded)
tsunami55 balance 905, didn't bet (folded)
shuschle balance 595, didn't bet (folded)
COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded)
Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, bet 740, collected 1660, net +920 [ Ac Kc ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Kc,Jc,Tc,2c ]
FlyingSaucerAttack balance 210, bet 860, collected 120, lost -740 [ Kd Ks ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Kd,Ks,Kh,Jc,Tc ]

***** Hand History for Game 1244041303 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:16:46 EST 2004
Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jamesnora (685)
Seat 2: CrazyGus (710)
Seat 3: Telestic (650)
Seat 4: sdox12 (840)
Seat 5: Tongue37 (1422)
Seat 6: tsunami55 (905)
Seat 7: shuschle (595)
Seat 8: COOP1870 (323)
Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660)
Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (210)
sdox12 posts small blind (15)
Tongue37 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Ac, As ]
tsunami55 calls (30)
shuschle calls (30)
COOP1870 folds.
Nobodys_Slo folds.
FlyingSaucerAttack: nice hand
FlyingSaucerAttack raises (210) to 210
FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In.
jamesnora raises (390) to 390
CrazyGus folds.
Telestic folds.
sdox12 folds.
Tongue37 folds.
tsunami55 folds.
shuschle folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 4s, 5h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
Creating Main Pot with $525 with FlyingSaucerAttack
** Summary **
Main Pot: 525 | Side Pot 1: 180
Board: [ 7h 4s 5h 8c Qh ]
jamesnora balance 475, bet 390, collected 180, lost -210 [ Jd Js ] [ a pair of jacks -- Qh,Jd,Js,8c,7h ]
CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded)
Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded)
sdox12 balance 825, lost 15 (folded)
Tongue37 balance 1392, lost 30 (folded)
tsunami55 balance 875, lost 30 (folded)
shuschle balance 565, lost 30 (folded)
COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded)
Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
FlyingSaucerAttack balance 525, bet 210, collected 525, net +315 [ Ac As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Qh,8c,7h ]

***** Hand History for Game 1244044328 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:17:22 EST 2004
Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jamesnora (475)
Seat 2: CrazyGus (710)
Seat 3: Telestic (650)
Seat 4: sdox12 (825)
Seat 5: Tongue37 (1392)
Seat 6: tsunami55 (875)
Seat 7: shuschle (565)
Seat 8: COOP1870 (323)
Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660)
Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (525)
Tongue37 posts small blind (15)
tsunami55 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Qd, Qs ]
shuschle folds.
COOP1870 folds.
Nobodys_Slo folds.
FlyingSaucerAttack raises (525) to 525
FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In.
jamesnora folds.
CrazyGus folds.
Telestic folds.
sdox12 folds.
Tongue37 folds.
tsunami55 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $570 with FlyingSaucerAttack
** Summary **
Main Pot: 570
jamesnora balance 475, didn't bet (folded)
CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded)
Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded)
sdox12 balance 825, didn't bet (folded)
Tongue37 balance 1377, lost 15 (folded)
tsunami55 balance 845, lost 30 (folded)
shuschle balance 565, didn't bet (folded)
COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded)
Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
FlyingSaucerAttack balance 570, bet 525, collected 570, net +45 [ Qd Qs ] [ a pair of queens -- Qd,Qs ]

***** Hand History for Game 1244047051 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:17:55 EST 2004
Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jamesnora (475)
Seat 2: CrazyGus (710)
Seat 3: Telestic (650)
Seat 4: sdox12 (825)
Seat 5: Tongue37 (1377)
Seat 6: tsunami55 (845)
Seat 7: shuschle (565)
Seat 8: COOP1870 (323)
Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660)
Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (570)
tsunami55 posts small blind (15)
shuschle posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Ac, Ad ]
COOP1870 folds.
Nobodys_Slo folds.
FlyingSaucerAttack raises (570) to 570
FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In.
jamesnora folds.
CrazyGus folds.
Telestic folds.
sdox12 folds.
Tongue37 folds.
tsunami55 folds.
shuschle folds.
Creating Main Pot with $615 with FlyingSaucerAttack
** Summary **
Main Pot: 615
jamesnora balance 475, didn't bet (folded)
CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded)
Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded)
sdox12 balance 825, didn't bet (folded)
Tongue37 balance 1377, didn't bet (folded)
tsunami55 balance 830, lost 15 (folded)
shuschle balance 535, lost 30 (folded)
COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded)
Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
FlyingSaucerAttack balance 615, bet 570, collected 615, net +45 [ Ac Ad ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ad ]

I don't think Party is rigged. You play a lot more hands within any given time frame (vs. a live game) and as a result see weird things more frequently. But I've never seen anything there I haven't seen elsewhere. AA vs. KK? Happened in my home tournament just a few weeks ago (my KK cracked his AA when I flopped trips). Flopped a flush? I won a home tournament on such a hand two months ago, and this past weekend I busted a guy out in the first orbit when I flopped a flush and he overbet his top pair. Lots of pocket pairs? At a six man game last week we had one hand with three pocket pairs in it, and two guys with queens and eights, respectively, ended up going all in against each other on it.

It's statistically improbable but still quite possible. I have had a full house runner-runnered by a straight flush on Party... then a week later I had it happen at my house. I was beat by a guy with quads... in heads-up play. It's ridiculous, and that's poker.

For example, I had K5, the flop comes 777, everyone checks, next card come K so i havea full boat. I bet & get one caller. She had the other 7. Not that this is impossible. But it seems like they put the K out here on purpose.... and I don't mean to sound like a sore loser but this was after about 4 terrible beats already. In my last game I got dealt A10, and the flop comes A64. I bet and get two callers. The next card is an A. I bet again and they both call. They BOTH had A6. WTF? Another hand I flop a straight. 3-7. I bet & get one caller. a 2 comes up next. I beta gain and the guy goes all in. He gets a flush on the turn.
Another hand I have something garbage but the flop give me top pair and an open ended straight. One guy calls me with AK and gets two running Aces
I understand that these things can happen, but it seems a little suspicious when they happen back to back to back and I am getting extremely nice looking flops to lure me in.
I feel like its their way of screwing me over because I cashed out my profit immediately. And I do play a lot of home games in regard to the otehr guy's suggestion. But oh well, I ended up +$10 so fuck Party Poker I got their $10.

looks like frands1 beat me to the punch. haha
I shouldnt have spent so much time trynig to figure out the proper order of the letters rotflmfao. Razz

Guess I didn't think it out too well when recalling that one Embarassed

How do we know we exist?

Just take a step back and consider what you're saying. The rake is always taken, pots will get big on their own. And people complain about Party Poker becuase it is the largest and fishiest. More bad players = more crazy beats but also more dumb calls and more money in my pocket. We arn't the ones with the burden of proof here. You jumped out and said Party Poker is out to get me! And now you're telling *us* to prove you wrong. You've gotta prove yourself right. Email Party Poker and ask for the information on the audits. Call those comapnies, visit them, call non-rigged sites and see what companies audit them. Do something other than shoot out wack-job conspiracy theorys while you've got your thumb up your ass.

Now, if you'll excuse me. I've got to go constantly look behind my back since there is always someone lurking in the shadows. Rolling Eyes

-'rilla

Nope, it ain't rigged. However, I have seen the most bizzare stuff at Absolute over the last week. I hit quads twice in a row within 10 minutes at the same table.

I have also been involved in or narrowly avoided set, over set over set situations on six separate occasions in less than 500 hands.

Can't you recall the hands where you sucked out on an opponent? For every time my AA was cracked, I can think of another time where I've sucked out on somoene else. Poker karma.

*Last edited by jmrogers7 on Wed, 01 Dec 2004, 1:44pm; edited 1 time in total*

Well maybe I just experienced my first episode of tilt or something... The cards dealt did seem pretty weird, but I guess when your on the losing end it stands out way more. Either way I'm up $10 and I guess I can't deal with that type of shit yet.... so I closed my account. Oh well, home games for me.

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