Living, Thriving, Suriving at Maniac Table- How ??

How do you play at a table in which people are very loose, (some passive, some aggressive, some maniac, but all loose)?

Such as, many people play with Ax offsuit, Kx offsuit, j7 offsuit all the time and some play with any 2 suited cards etc.-

I've heard different theories on the topic- one such is to tighten up- which leaves me waiting for too long while big stacks arise around me.

Another one is to loosen up your game a little- however this also doesn't work as I'm used to a TAG style and don't know how to play crap like K9o.

Help is appreciated, as always. Wink

I wantem to make the money!! Very Happy

play more high cards like KT JQ things like that that will give you top pair if a passive player is pushing on you then you might be good but get money in the pot vs a aggresive player, don't play things like suited connectors and set hunting is good to

though i feel a bit uncomfortable with repeating just what i was told, here is what i do:

tighten up, be patient and observant. the wild boys won´t mostly recognize your tighty play and will pay you off when your monster flops.

don´t hang on "not giving them the odds to call", they don´t mind. try to figure out, who´s out to steal pots, they know what they do and give you credit for fighting back, and those wild ones and calling stations which have no idea what they are doing.

when you´re clearing any Bonus, lean back and let them and their money do the work for you.

Premium hands (AA/KK/QQ/AK) jam preflop

Make cheap straights, flushes and sets then jam

Are you talking about SnG or ring? It sounds like SnG.

If the table is loose passive, limp suited connectors, pp, Broad way, etc. Especially if they like to min-bet their made hands, it gives you great odds to draw. Value bet everything that you think is good. If you raised pre-flop with a strong hand and get down to 1-2 people and flop TPTK or an overpair, be prepared to get all your chips in the middle.

If it's loose aggressive, just sit back and watch the fireworks. These tables never last long.

Wait for a hand then bet big with it and PWNZZ.

thx for all the help

just some more info - i'm talkin about a regular house ring-game with friends that we frequently do. 8-10 people each time

the table is prob . more aggresive (maniac) then i made it out to be, people overbettin tp weak kicker and mid pair.

Bottom line is to tighten up, play agressive post flop?

Are they aggressive pre-flop?

At the games at my house I could afford to limp about anything and play post flop accordingly.

Raise your good hands like normal (unless you get too many callers, then raise more).

As for the mediocre hands, k9o, etc. If you decide to play it, when you hit TPNK, bet the flop (raise if necessary). This should leave you heads-up. After that play cautiously. Fold to big bets, call small bets. If you think making a small bet will keep the pot small do that.

On a loose table you I think you are losing alot of value by not loosening up yourself.

If they are loose and passive (preflop) then you want to be seeing lots of flops with hands like 68o and then making them pay once you hit your straight/2 pair.

If they are loose aggressive preflop and play QJo like the nuts then it will be +EV to play AJs like the nuts. Varience will be through the roof though.

Loosen up. Try to see all flops with Axs and suited connectors regardless of position. If the play is loose-passive you will often be able to draw to your hand cheaply.

As for postflop, just make a good top pair or two pair/better and bet pot every street.

Oh yes, and don't bluff. Don't steal the blinds. Don't continuation bet except in scenarios where you are almost sure they don't have anything.

wait for a solid hand and then take all their cash.

playing hands like QJ and KT is not a good idea. how do you know where you stand? if you play hands like that you can't be sure if you should call to a big raise when you hit top pair.

just play solid values. go in when you have good and fold when you don't. don't waste your time trying to outbluff a loose player

Just tighten up and wait for a premium hand. Once you hit your hand you'll be easily paid off. Never forget that manics do catch good hands once in awhile. Don't mistake a monster for another one of their bluffs.

Let me quote the following from a pro's book from how I understand it:

Passive & Aggressive = # of hands you play (I look at this as position determinaton of what to play; Passive is not position determinant, aggressive is all position playing)

Loose & Tight = The mix of hands played (Loose games you get looser wher tight you get tighter).

Summary:

Loose & Aggressive: You should not be in many pots. Play your premium hands based on position only - i.e. sit back and watch till you get AA-TT, AK, or AQ-AJs. If you're in a late position (CO/Button) with no PFR, limp in only with all PPs and suited connectors only.

Loose & Passive: Position isn't as important here but selection of hands is still important. If there's a PFR, fold unless you have a top premium hand - usually JJ+ or AKs. This is a game where you want to only play good hands post flop (TPTK+) and be aggressive with it.

Tight & Passive: You can still play a fair amount of hands. Position not as important. Only PFR if first in with premium hands and re-raise with AA, KK, QQ, or AKs.

Tight & Aggressive: (I call this a tough game - walkaway - find a better game to play or if you choose to go for a try, play premium hands only and only based on position.)

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