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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 7:38pm Post subject: Pushing all-in against flush chasers? |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Posts: 95
WPP: 151
Location: Statesboro, GA
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This hand just came up against a 42/1.9. I meant to bet $0.50 but mistyped (and was terrified of the straight after his call).
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($9.83)
Hero ($8.22)
BB ($13.53)
UTG ($3.14)
MP ($5.14)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 , 7 .
UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10.
Flop: ($0.32) 7 , 6 , 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.1, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.2, Hero raises to $0.75, UTG calls $0.55.
Turn: ($1.82) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG calls $2.24 (All-In).
River: ($9.06) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $9.06
Results in white below:
Hero has 7h 7c (three of a kind, sevens).
UTG has Ks As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $9.06.
He was willing to push all-in on a draw. Now, the question: is this a positive EV move at micro-stakes? When you know someone who lives and dies by flushes is chasing, does pushing all-in on the turn get called often enough to make it worthwhile? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 9:24pm Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7783
WPP: 50
Location: trying to live
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 1:13am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 20 May 2006
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WPP: 34
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| Bet bigger on the flop if you're going to bet. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 1:25am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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Yeah some people love to do that.. they hit 1 in 3 and take your money though, that sucks. But on the whole it's a good thing.
** Game ID 843047642 starting - 2006-06-28 16:49:20
** Biggin Hill [Hold em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- jackvance sitting in seat 1 with $10.19 [Dealer]
- Rants321 sitting in seat 2 with $1.90
- eguarenor sitting in seat 3 with $7.34
- RiverRat777 sitting in seat 4 with $10.00
- Gigawolf2 sitting in seat 5 with $11.10
- happylarry sitting in seat 6 with $2.10
Rants321 posted the small blind - $0.05
eguarenor posted the big blind - $0.10
** Dealing card to jackvance: 5 of Clubs, 5 of Diamonds
RiverRat777 called - $0.10
Gigawolf2 raised - $0.40
happylarry folded
jackvance called - $0.40
Rants321 folded
eguarenor called - $0.40
RiverRat777 called - $0.40
** Dealing the flop: 7 of Hearts, 6 of Spades, 5 of Spades
eguarenor bet - $0.10
RiverRat777 raised - $0.80
Gigawolf2 called - $0.80
jackvance raised - $4.00
eguarenor folded
RiverRat777 went all-in - $8.80
Gigawolf2 folded
jackvance called - $9.60
** Dealing the turn: 2 of Hearts
** Dealing the river: King of Diamonds
RiverRat777 shows: 9 of Spades, 2 of Spades
jackvance shows: 5 of Clubs, 5 of Diamonds
jackvance wins $21.45 from the main pot
End of game 843047642
He had a gutshot too.. but because of the boat thing, I'm the 67% favorite. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 10:09am Post subject: flush draw |
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Straight
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 203
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Location: bronx new york
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I would prefer to make a strong near pot size bet on the turn and hope that he calls. Rather then push all in and hope that your opponent makes a desperation call, just put a nice cize bet out there (enough to give him bad odds to call) and hope that he does. Granted youll get sucked out sometimes, but id rather the dude stayed in the pot then folded.
On lower limit tables you might get a call by pushng all in, but this wont work once you move up, i think at this point the goal should be to get good enough to move up to higher limits...So i would play the hand the "right way"
Just give him bad odds and hope he calls, all in is too big of a bet, plus you dont want to scare him away from chasing |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 10:28am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Posts: 1590
WPP: 42
Location: Coldbrook, NS
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| flotu wrote: | | Bet bigger on the flop if you're going to bet. |
He bet more than pot. How much of an overbet do you recommend? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 10:41am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| i thought the villain made a very normal play for this level - When I first read it I thought "oh, he wouldn't lay down AKsuited" w/out even realizing he had a flush draw - I have seen a LOT of players call down here with ONLY AK and no draws (except overcads) - gotta just keep value betting them...Thats why its hard for me to put players on hands at low limit - Its easier just to flop a set and get paid off....his stats suggest he's a total calling station, so he coulda called with damn near anything there |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 10:52am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Ohio
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| AHiltz wrote: | | flotu wrote: | | Bet bigger on the flop if you're going to bet. |
He bet more than pot. How much of an overbet do you recommend? |
1) no he didn't.
2) I think he was talking about the lead. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 7:23pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 30 Jun 2006
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WPP: 30
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| I have pushed similar hands on the flop to get instacalled all in by the draw calling 10-12 bucks into 3 and then when they hit say "I had outs" I really liked the .50 bet there so you could get away from it if needed. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 8:55pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1788
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Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| I love finding these guys at the table. In the lower limits the flush draw is the ultimate shitty player's hand. These guys don't know odds. All they know is they're SO close... |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 9:35pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Yeah some people love to do that.. they hit 1 in 3 and take your money though, that sucks. But on the whole it's a good thing.
** Game ID 843047642 starting - 2006-06-28 16:49:20
** Biggin Hill [Hold em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- jackvance sitting in seat 1 with $10.19 [Dealer]
- Rants321 sitting in seat 2 with $1.90
- eguarenor sitting in seat 3 with $7.34
- RiverRat777 sitting in seat 4 with $10.00
- Gigawolf2 sitting in seat 5 with $11.10
- happylarry sitting in seat 6 with $2.10
Rants321 posted the small blind - $0.05
eguarenor posted the big blind - $0.10
** Dealing card to jackvance: 5 of Clubs, 5 of Diamonds
RiverRat777 called - $0.10
Gigawolf2 raised - $0.40
happylarry folded
jackvance called - $0.40
Rants321 folded
eguarenor called - $0.40
RiverRat777 called - $0.40
** Dealing the flop: 7 of Hearts, 6 of Spades, 5 of Spades
eguarenor bet - $0.10
RiverRat777 raised - $0.80
Gigawolf2 called - $0.80
jackvance raised - $4.00
eguarenor folded
RiverRat777 went all-in - $8.80
Gigawolf2 folded
jackvance called - $9.60
** Dealing the turn: 2 of Hearts
** Dealing the river: King of Diamonds
RiverRat777 shows: 9 of Spades, 2 of Spades
jackvance shows: 5 of Clubs, 5 of Diamonds
jackvance wins $21.45 from the main pot
End of game 843047642
He had a gutshot too.. but because of the boat thing, I'm the 67% favorite.
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Lol
is it sad i know how each and every player in this HH plays?
Thats gotta be the easy push ever. Id just open push and watch em call on Prima |
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