What's a good PTBB/100 rate?

Okay, a bit of a "how long is a piece of string?" question and yes, there's probably a theoretical maximum (actually I don't suppose there is...) but I'm looking for realisitc targets.

Now I'd take any + as being good, but I also remember AOK saying that if you're not frequently up x buy-ins after a 3/4 tabling session (obviously variance, but a reasonable session) then you've got leaks (or am I misquoting?).

So what's a good, sustainable PTBB/100 at various levels? $5, $10, $25, $50 (all NL), does it vary much with sites? How many hands represent a real sample?

I'm not sure if it's a stupid question, but I¨d be interested in any numbers peopel want to throw out.

um 7-8 at 25nl i don't know over how big of a size but if i could kill the 200nl-400nl game for 5ptbb over a long haul i would be happy

I have made a new perspective on this matter recently. I used to think I should get my winrate as high as possible, but now I've basically resigned in the fact that from time to time, I *will* donk off some buy-ins.. not card variance, but making plays you normally never make. Take them all as variance, and put in more hours.. then a 15ptBB/100 at 10NL (3tabling 6max) seems nicely sustainable (I have this clocked at 20k hands now) and it gradually goes down as limits go up.

I also figured that once you play higher stakes, like 200NL and up.. you don't even need to be a big winner to make good money. Just put in the time and play enough tables consistently.

Let's say you can run at 3 ptBB/100 at 600NL playing 4 shorthanded tables.. that's about $100/hour.. and you put in 4 hours per day.. that'd be $12k per month. That's sick Smile

What I'm trying to say is.. maybe it's also a good idea to look at the absolutes. Let's say you can run at 12 ptBB/100 at a given stake playing 2 tables, or 8 ptBB/100 playing 4 tables. If you play 80 hands per hour per table (average for shorthanded for me) then in an hour of play, the former would net you 19.2 BBs and the latter 25.6 BBs.. much better for you BR even though your winrate dropped 50%!

Or something similar, such as my observation from above, that if you only play when you feel picture-perfect and calm, and your winrate is 20 ptBB/100.. or if you play whenever you don't feel totally shitty, your winrate is, say, 13 ptBB/100 but you can put in 3x the time.. then the latter is "better" as in, you make more money.

Just something to think about.

If I had made say 50% of the tilty, dumb mistakes I've made, my BB/100 would be well over 10. As it is, it's 6, over about 70,000 hands at £25 and $25, and I *suppose* I'm okay with that.

At $25nl, I am 11BB/100 over 27k hands and at $50nl 7.5BB/100 13k hands. Both are fairly respectable and would consider them better than average. I do, however, have a lot of room to improve so they could be even better than that. I'd say that 25k hands is the minimum you want to play before making any long-term declarations about how profitable you can play. I've played mostly Poker Room and Stars and did not see much of a difference in winrate although the players are very different.

Mine is just below 6 at 60k hands of 25nl, 8-9 tabling.

winrate is so relative depending on skill, table selection, and how well you are running.

At micro's 7-8ptbb/100 is good. At middle stakes games more like 3-5ptbb/100 is good over a large sample.

Also its lower at full table than at shorthanded.

Also its lower on stars than on party.