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dzeanah
Post Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 7:39pm    Post subject: Limping AA? Reply with quote
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I've run into this twice in the last 24 hours: once with a passively played AA from a smallstack versus my JJ; just now with everyone limping at a table (2nd blind level), I raise to clear out the limpers, get reraised (of course I just reread a hand history like this in HOH today and figure bluff), reraise AI with AJ, and get knocked out.

I know, stupid in both cases. But I never saw either one coming. Is this something to look out for, or is this just a weak way to play AA?
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Post Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 7:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Generally speaking it is a terrible way to play AA. Perhaps the only time I would limp AA is heads up against a very aggressive opponent who almost never checks his BB.

I wish the poker gods would put a curse on everybody who limps their AA that they get cracked every time by a BB special.

BTW, although it's hard to say without the exact HH, your first hand doesn't sound all that bad. On your second, I would probably fold to the limp/re-raise but recently I've seen players pull this trick with all sorts of shit so I'm less inclined to believe it. That said, I don't think AJ is nearly strong enough of a hand, particularly on level 2, with which to call an AI.
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Post Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:20pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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never limp AA, it's terrible.
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 12:20pm    Post subject: aa Reply with quote
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I feel that limping with aces gets you in more trouble then its worth, everytime i lip utg thinking to reraise preflop i just end up with an 8 handed flop that I wont even bet on. Id say slowplaying AA in any sense is bad, that being said you got to be wary of a prelop limp/reraise from the EP, especially at higher limits.

Yeah id say that you overplayed that aj and he played those aces crappy.
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 2:03pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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taipan168 wrote:
I wish the poker gods would put a curse on everybody who limps their AA that they get cracked every time by a BB special.


i think i have this curse. but ive stopped limping AA, so i hope it goes away soon.
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 2:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People who limp aces make me wish I could reach through the screen and fucking kill them.
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 3:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It's better to limp AA in cash games.
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 3:20pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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spyderracing wrote:
People who limp aces make me wish I could reach through the screen and fucking kill them.


some serious aggression dude.

take a deep breath, count to 10, and pull the cork from your ass.
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izybx
Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 3:37pm    Post subject: aa Reply with quote
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How do you figure its better to limp with aces in a cash game (or correct at all)
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 3:42pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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limping aces is only terrible when you dont have a reason for it
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 3:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It is correct to limp aces in any game where you will always steal the blinds if you raise. AA (and maybe KK) are the only hands in hold 'em worth more than the blinds, generally.

Since it's never really true that you "always" steal sucessfully - there is just some number (85%?) where you really should just limp.

However, I think that this is only true if you are limping things OTHER than aces!

Also, see "mixing it up".

Since you shouldn't be limping much, if ever, in an SNG, you could argue that you should never limp aces.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 6:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Last time someone limped me with Aces we were in a SnG, we were 5 handed and blinds were 100-200 and I only had 750 left, but I was patience and waited for a double up or trible up to survive, we were 5 left... He limps on the button with AA, SB calls and I check... Flop comes Q4J , I got Q4 (would have folded if he made just a one up bet to me) , SB checks , hmm I want to get paid here so I make a bet of 200, Button now makes it 800, SB folds and I call... I won the hand and now got about 1500 chips....

And ofcourse the person with AA is swearing in the chat after that saying BS and all the rigged pokersites talk...

Whats his problem? he limps with AA and gives me the chance to hit a flop for free and I did...

What can we learn by this? Its horrible play to limp with AA in situations like this....

The only time I limped with AA was a $50+4 SnG I was playing, we were 4 ppl left, 3 of us were even in chips and the person on my left was chipleader with almost double of my stack, everytime I tried to limp his blinds he had something in his mind that said "no limping allowed here" he either raised me 3xbb or came over the top of me, and he had seen me fold everytime... I then got my AA and everybody folds and I now limped his blinds because of his previous game, and guess what he did, he came over the top of me and I called, he showed 10-7 offsuit and I cracked him....

He ofcourse also sweared in the chat saying, im so unlucky and only a horrible player limps with Aces, one of the other players had notised what I did and said it was genious played of me.... lol
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 8:13am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Limping aces can be fine, and the best evidence for it is the anger and loathing expressed by several people on this thread - don't you WANT to make your opponents feel this way?

Gabe hits the nail on the head, though - the conditions need to be right for limping aces. If you just do it arbitrarily then you deserve to have it come back and hit you in the face.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 3:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you limp aces you got no reads on the other player, the scary thing about limping is always that you have no idea of how strong the big blind is, the other limpers can you say a little about, they proberly dont limp 7-2 late in a tourney, and if the flop comes 10-7-2 and the big blind goes all in with a stack as big as youre youre in trouble because you have no idea of what he might have and even if he raises you, you dont feel good before you have seen the river card...
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 9:50pm    Post subject: Re: Limping AA? Reply with quote
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dzeanah wrote:
I've run into this twice in the last 24 hours: once with a passively played AA from a smallstack versus my JJ; just now with everyone limping at a table (2nd blind level), I raise to clear out the limpers, get reraised (of course I just reread a hand history like this in HOH today and figure bluff), reraise AI with AJ, and get knocked out.

I know, stupid in both cases. But I never saw either one coming. Is this something to look out for, or is this just a weak way to play AA?


Just curious, what buy-in?
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dzeanah
Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 10:06pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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$10 NL ring and a $5.50 SnG, which might be the explanation.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 12:09am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Limping AA is fine in the right situation as long as you can get away from it after the flop.
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Renton
Post Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 12:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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if you have a wide raising range then its almost counter-intuitive to limp big hands, since the whole reason you raise a lot of hand is to disguise when you have big hands.
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