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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 8:04am Post subject: I'm finding myself shortstacked too often... |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 4109
WPP: 107
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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I am finding this to happen abour 70% of the time when the bubble comes along. When it gets down to 4-5 people, and on average the blinds will be somewhere in between 50/100 - 75/150, and I will be sitting on a stack of around 1000-1500. This puts me in push/fold mode and I am finding myself not knowing whether to push, or fold.
This is something I noticed esspecially during my 4 hour session today, I document everytime how I go out of a tournament, and I noted that I went out because I was shortstacked 75%. I would have a stack of ~1200 with blinds being 75/150 and I would push AI with hands like KJ+ and get called with weak aces, mid pockets, or hands that dominate me and lose. Sometimes I could not believe I would be called with a hand like A6o because my table image was tight. I know I can't win every race, and I know every session can not be a winning one, but how does one play a SnG to not get short stacked on the bubble?
I wouldn't say my bubble problem was because I was playing poorly at the start of the tourn, I play TAG and my flop % is usually around 10-15%, sometimes lower. I guess it could be that I was card dead this session (which did start to frustrate me) and it stod out more, but after going through and reading how I have busted out of some sit and go's in the past, it seems I am too short and have to gamble. How do I prevent this? |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 8:29am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 458
WPP: 128
Location: Manchester, UK
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You can't. SnG play is all about getting shortstacked and gambling it up. It's pretty rare not to go through this phase at some point. Last night I played a tourney where I got dealt strong hands which won, and nobody contested my steals. I wasn't shortstacked once in the entire thing... that's is a 1 in 10 situation though, tops.
I think what you might need to look at is how you play when you are shortstacked. e.g. hand values in a race situation. Fold equity. Calling ranges.
My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked. |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 8:43am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6475
WPP: 65
Location: Somewhere in middle america
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 8:55am Post subject: |
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Season VII
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Posts: 2381
WPP: 101
Location: HotLanta
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| DogOnMySide wrote: |
My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked. |
GREAT!!!! So much for getting any work done this afternoon. Seriously, I just downloaded this and it looks pretty cool. Is it worth paying the $75 for? |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 8:57am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 1248
WPP: 51
Location: Stripclubs
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| GatorJH wrote: | | DogOnMySide wrote: |
My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked. |
GREAT!!!! So much for getting any work done this afternoon. Seriously, I just downloaded this and it looks pretty cool. Is it worth paying the $75 for? |
Yes |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 9:02am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 458
WPP: 128
Location: Manchester, UK
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I paid it, but then i'm a proper mug for poker stuff.
Pros -
Brilliant at what it does, which is analyzing push/call/fold situations with stacks of less than 10bb
Cons -
That's pretty much all it does.
You get 1-5 of those situations every sng, so it is useful...
My experience went...
WOW this is COOL! I never realised that pushing 93o there is so +EV
wait i feel ripped off, this cost me fifty fucking quid! what a M UG!
ah, i guess it's worth having in the grand scheme of things |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 3:37pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 4109
WPP: 107
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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| DogOnMySide wrote: | | My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked. |
This is a pretty damn good program. Although I don't have the $75 to front right now, even the tutorials that come with it are very nice. I had no idea about any of this. Thanks for the response. |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 5:33pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 1063
WPP: 166
Location: Germany
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| WTF .. You guys hate me that much not to tell me.. My last 10 posts have been about bubbling and short stacked. lol .. Thanks - |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 5:59pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
Posts: 285
WPP: 96
Location: Germany
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| DogOnMySide wrote: | I paid it, but then i'm a proper mug for poker stuff.
Pros -
Brilliant at what it does, which is analyzing push/call/fold situations with stacks of less than 10bb
Cons -
That's pretty much all it does.
You get 1-5 of those situations every sng, so it is useful...
My experience went...
WOW this is COOL! I never realised that pushing 93o there is so +EV
wait i feel ripped off, this cost me fifty fucking quid! what a M UG!
ah, i guess it's worth having in the grand scheme of things |
When you learn why this is true, you will have just begun to understand SnG poker. If you can't afford a program to do the work, Google the Independent Chip Model and learn how to use it. Then download Pokerstove (it's free). Then just do a whole bunch of longhand calculations on bubble situations. That's how I have started to understand the basics of bubble-ology. |
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