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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 5:03pm Post subject: NL texas hand for comment (Omaha 8 relevance)
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Straight
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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NL texas shorthanded.
I'm on the button with A9 sooted, spades.
Limped pot, three playing.
Flop comes: 3d 8s 10s.
1st villain leads out for about 3/4 pot, 2nd calls.
I call. (I usually raise these nut draws in position, but I put villain 1 on a lower flush draw, and villain 2 was a total calling station, you had to show him cards)
Turn comes: 3s (great, right)
(ORIGINALLY TYPED 4S, THUS FUCKING UP THE REPLIES, AND THE POINT OF THIS THREAD, BEING THAT I WAS OVERLY SKITTISH CONCERNING THE POSSIBLE BOAT)
Villain 1 checks (duh, original bet wasnt enough to protect against draws, and now checks, smells like a made flush)
Villain 2 bets 1/4 pot (pointless).
I call, Villain 1 raises 2x pot.
2nd folds, I call.
River comes: Kh
Villain 1 bets 1/2 pot, I make a crying call.
Weak as hell.
Sure enough, villain turns over Kx spades, I take a decent pot.
Now, the relevance to Omaha:
As soon as the board paired I was afraid. A great majority of times, in omaha, this means your flush is no good, and while you might make a small boat fold, it rarely is legitamately good.
My origianal read was correct, but I had the nagging fear that he had top a set that filled up, or a weird two pair that filled up (unraised pot).
Has anybody else experienced this problem?
I guess it can have its plusses, that you tighten up playing NL texas and don't push ridiculously small margins too far, and I haven't been losing at texas recently since I started playing omaha (might even be doing slightly better) but I find myself, even in shorthanded games (!?!?), being wary of hands that might be legitamate in omaha but that villains couldnt possibly have in NLHE.
I usually multitable omaha and shorthanded NLHE, could this be part of the problem?
Any feedback is, of course, as always, appreciated. |
Last edited by SonOfAkira on Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 5:42am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 5:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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It's almost impossible for villain to have a boat here, given his line.
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 9:18pm Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
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| midas06 wrote: | It's almost impossible for villain to have a boat here, given his line.
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And, uh, the board too??? |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 9:40pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| elipsesjeff wrote: | | midas06 wrote: | It's almost impossible for villain to have a boat here, given his line.
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And, uh, the board too??? |
Im so glad you said that. Ive read and reread the HH over and over, checked midas reply to see if he said anything and he didnt. I just thought i was misreading. The "Crying call" comment with the nuts confused the hell outta me.
In any case, assuming one of those cards paired the board somehow im getting it allin there. Nothing about that hand makes me think he has a boat and he will always pay off with a lower flush (maybe even with trips) |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 10:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Oh, yeah the board too. Too used to converted hh... |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 5:39am Post subject:
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Straight
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| Pelion wrote: | | elipsesjeff wrote: | | midas06 wrote: | It's almost impossible for villain to have a boat here, given his line.
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And, uh, the board too??? |
Im so glad you said that. Ive read and reread the HH over and over, checked midas reply to see if he said anything and he didnt. I just thought i was misreading. The "Crying call" comment with the nuts confused the hell outta me.
In any case, assuming one of those cards paired the board somehow im getting it allin there. Nothing about that hand makes me think he has a boat and he will always pay off with a lower flush (maybe even with trips) |
Yeah, I botched this, the turn was the 3 of spades. This makes all the difference, obviously, thought the replies are still valid, nothing indicates a boat, and there is still no use for a crying call. I apologize for the oversight, feel free to re-comment, specifically about how to overcome this skittishness in NLHE after playing so much omaha. |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 11:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Raise turn and then slow down if reraised. Just calling almost compels you to play the hand passively, as anything else is basically representing a boat yourself. |
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