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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 5:33pm Post subject: Dealing with shorties. |
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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Is this a standard play against shortstacks? Is this what you were telling me about the other day Fnord?
***** Hand History for Game 3854636496 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 30, 19:29:09 ET 2006
Table Carpe Diem (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: GRumney ( $84.83 )
Seat 2: Qj4l2fBU ( $46.93 )
Seat 4: NpAa2129 ( $167.66 )
Seat 5: verngozznen ( $37.50 )
Seat 6: RichardHoney ( $225.91 )
Seat 7: JLOBSTER77 ( $107.22 )
Seat 8: BlairS ( $120.65 )
Seat 10: JoelTorsk ( $92 )
Seat 9: Renton555 ( $96 )
Seat 3: droopdogg111 ( $99 )
JLOBSTER77 posts small blind [$0.50].
Renton555 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Kd Ah ]
JoelTorsk folds.
GRumney folds.
Qj4l2fBU folds.
droopdogg111 folds.
NpAa2129 folds.
verngozznen raises [$5].
RichardHoney folds.
JLOBSTER77 folds.
Renton555 raises [$51].
verngozznen is all-In [$32.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Qs, 4d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
Renton555 shows [ Kd, Ah ] a pair of aces.
verngozznen doesn't show [ Th, Ts ] a pair of tens.
Renton555 wins $14.50 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Renton555 wins $72.50 from the main pot with a pair of aces. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 6:16pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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thats standard against a 20BB stack (unless you know they are camping). I think this guy is slightly too big to just push. Hes also too small to reraise and fold the flop.
I think you have to call and hope to stack AJ, AQ, KQ etc. Pushing isnt horrible though. At least you get to see all the cards. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 6:59pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 7:02pm Post subject: |
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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| jackvance wrote: | | You won the cointoss.. | Its not about the results.
I figured I dominated some a hand or two in his calling range (I've seen shorties call with AJ+). I was only dominated by AA/KK, and flipping everything else which is profitable with the little bit of dead money there. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 7:29pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Well.. I still kinda call em cointoss odds.. no doubt you have the best odds for your all-in here, but I personally prefer to put it all on the table with higher guarantee. Which, no doubt, has to do with the limited size of my BR. If I was sitting on 20 buy-ins, I would do this too. Now I adjust my playstyle to my situation.. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 9:04pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| Well your EV is probably a cointoss so... |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 9:17pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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His EV is probably slightly positive. Given the expectations of his opp's possible holdings and the (little) dead money in the pot, he has >50% to win but not too much. It's personal preference I guess whether to chase these. I reserve them for <5M in MTTs mostly. In principle if you chase a 51% chance to win every time, you'll be up in the long run.. but this gives a HUGE variance-factor, and will only pay off in the really LOOONG run.
So it ended up in a TT vs AK brawl. Renton is the dog with 43% to take it home.. but he won. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 9:56pm Post subject: |
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Ya I think factoring in the donk AQ factor, my equity was about 50% versus his range. With my bb and the small blind, its marginally profitable.
I agree with Pelion. His stack could have been a little shorter.
I just like pwning the shortstacks because they give me so much grief by forcing me to make bad calls.
So, in a way, this was very +EV for my psyche. |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Mar 2006, 10:47pm Post subject: |
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| You're pretty ballsy, I'd do it if he had $10 less. |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 12:38am Post subject: |
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| This guy doesn't fall under my definition of a short stack, but if he did, I would play it like you did here. I play them with a bit more of a selective set of calling hands than I would in a tourney. But AK is a no-brainer call/push I think against a small stack. |
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Posted: Fri, 31 Mar 2006, 5:05pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Renton wrote: | Ya I think factoring in the donk AQ factor, my equity was about 50% versus his range. With my bb and the small blind, its marginally profitable.
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Don't forget FE, this is usually +EV vs. typical shorties. I'd prefer a call in this situation though, I like a push around 25bb or less. Read-dependent of course. |
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