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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 4:02am Post subject: In a spot heads up
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Royal Flush
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Late night 20+2
My opponent is a bit of a table coach, plays tight, folds too much and likes to make really silly pushes into small pots with at least medium strong hands. Both times I saw him called on over-bets they were pretty good hands that held. But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (2 handed) FTR Hand History Converter
BB (t6560)
Fnord (t6940)
Preflop: Fnord is Button with 7 , 4.
Fnord calls t100, BB checks.
Flop: (t400) 5, 8 , 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets t300, BB calls t300.
Turn: (t1000) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t6060 (All-In), Fnord.... |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 7:19am Post subject:
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Strike 3
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...calls.
With the read you have, I can't see villain pushing a 9 here, it's probably a bet to protect top pair/overpair/two pair/maybe even a set.
With zero flush possibilities, I make it a call all day long. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 7:19am Post subject:
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Flush
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| I'd let it go. Blinds are only 100/200. Why call and "hope" he doesn't have a 9 when you can probably pwn this guy HU if you're patient. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 8:16am Post subject:
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Full House
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| Quote: | | But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand. |
| Quote: | Turn: (t1000) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t6060 (All-In), Fnord.... |
Is this what you mean by value betting? |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 9:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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If that bet gets called once out of every so often times, and that nets him more than him making small bets on every street over the same number of trials, then the overbet is the better option.
Right? Isn't that the definition of a 'value' bet? |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 11:57am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| Scuba Chuck wrote: | | Quote: | | But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand. |
| Quote: | Turn: (t1000) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t6060 (All-In), Fnord.... |
Is this what you mean by value betting? |
To me that's a value bet. Normally when i see a guy overbet a pot that much it means he wants a call. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 12:49pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | Scuba Chuck wrote: | | Quote: | | But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand. |
| Quote: | Turn: (t1000) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t6060 (All-In), Fnord.... |
Is this what you mean by value betting? |
To me that's a value bet. Normally when i see a guy overbet a pot that much it means he wants a call. |
That is a general rule, yes. But what about this guy? With the reads Fnord has, I think Hero can call and have an edge more often than not. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 1:53pm Post subject: Re: In a spot heads up
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Full House
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folds. Because he looks at
| Fnord wrote: | | Fnord (t6440) | ,
| Fnord wrote: | | Big Blind is t200 (2 handed) |
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| Fnord wrote: | | My opponent is a bit of a table coach, plays tight, folds too much |
and knows he can (a) keep chipping away and (b) wait until he is the one sat with a 9 in this spot and opp makes one of these massive bets |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 3:27pm Post subject: Re: In a spot heads up
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Flush
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| Fnord wrote: | | Big Blind is t200 |
Fold. The blinds are just far too low to risk your 35xBB stack - equal to villain's - on bottom straight, particularly after the fishy flop call. If you ask me, villain doesn't feel like wasting time trying to milk pennies from you on an obvious straight board when he can push and hope you'll make a big mistake - which he has obviously gotten you to consider.
Having the high straight on boards that are four cards to the straight generally aren't very profitable because they're so easy to spot. With blinds at this level, they're even less profitable - unless he can make a sneaky move like this. Just my two cents. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 4:04pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| Scuba Chuck wrote: | | Quote: | | But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand. |
Is this what you mean by value betting? |
I should have been clear. I've seen him make smaller bets with very strong hands. |
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Posted: Sat, 18 Feb 2006, 7:43pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Fnord wrote: | | Scuba Chuck wrote: | | Quote: | | But, he's certainly capable of value betting a strong hand. |
Is this what you mean by value betting? |
I should have been clear. I've seen him make smaller bets with very strong hands. |
HU is all about rhythm. I would go with your gut instinct at the time. My bet is you both are either sharing the ass end of the str8 or he has 2 pair. Unless he has some incredible read on you. Regardless, I'd have a hard time saying folding here is bad. |
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Posted: Sun, 19 Feb 2006, 1:32am Post subject:
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Flush
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| Table coach makes him the guy who bets his best hands. I don't think he's being an asshat here because coaching has gotten him top 2. Why put your $15 on a borderline call if he's definately capable of making this play with top straight? |
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Posted: Sun, 19 Feb 2006, 2:42am Post subject:
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Full House
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| aleksandr wrote: | | Why put your $15 on a borderline call if he's definately capable of making this play with top straight? |
It's more like $40. |
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Posted: Sun, 19 Feb 2006, 7:01am Post subject:
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Strike 3
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Now let's not be too results orientated about this, but what was the result Fnord?  |
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Posted: Sun, 19 Feb 2006, 8:08am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Posted: Sun, 19 Feb 2006, 5:56pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| dwarfman wrote: | | Now let's not be too results orientated about this, but what was the result Fnord? |
I dipped into my time bank and called, he had J9 |
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