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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 6:31pm Post subject: Position Play 101
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i wouldn't mind a change...
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Posts: 4643
WPP: 90
Location: TagFish
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I have an idea. Considering that not very many people understand optimal table selection and position, I think its a good time to create a sticky where we can post images of tables and get feedback of good table selection or not.
Say you have three table images:
If you could have any seat at each of these tables, which seat would you choose and why? Would any of you not choose any of these tables? Please feel free to post your own images for help.
Also, remove any incriminating things from your posts, like Table #, HH #, names of players on tables, etc. |
Last edited by elipsesjeff on Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 6:55pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 6:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 1602
WPP: 105
Location: Party 6 max
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Best seats:
1) platana
2) BeStiny
3) homebuilder
I am looking for a seat where I have immediate position on a loose passive player (or at least high VP$IP)
And a big blind who will often fold to a raise.
It is also improtant to NOT have a loose player to my immediate left or a good agressive player to my immediate right.
The loose player will often cold call raises, making isolation plays impossible, then will have position on me for the rest of the hand. Position is huge shorthanded, as it often means missing/losing extra bets for the OOP player.
The agressive player will often steal my button, forcing me to play less hands, and pick up less blinds where shorthanded play is really just a constant battle for the blinds. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 6:53pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
Posts: 275
WPP: 90
Location: Denmark
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at least poke edge has me as a shark guys...  |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 6:59pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 666
WPP: 95
Location: Decatur, IL
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I would take lmc17s seat at table 1 because I have played vs and won a lot against Redemption and won a LOT against him when I have position on him  Also having a rock on the left helps a bit. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 7:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 1968
WPP: 96
Location: 6max limit tables
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Posted: Tue, 03 Jan 2006, 5:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 1602
WPP: 105
Location: Party 6 max
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EEEK! ????
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Posted: Tue, 03 Jan 2006, 10:44am Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Posts: 4643
WPP: 90
Location: TagFish
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| Button is the place to be. although I wouldnt mind sitting next to BB either and card camp. |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Jan 2006, 10:40pm Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Posts: 4643
WPP: 90
Location: TagFish
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Question 1:
Is it worth it to sit at a 6 max table where there is only one maniac, and you have position on him. Say the other 4 players are average players, 30/15/1.5 or so and fold SB/BB to steal 33% each, and the maniac directly on your right is a 70/45/4 through like 800 hands and has a nice 25 BB stack.
To make matters better, the other idiots at the table are berating him for his bad play and the guy just doesnt get it, it either encourages him to take their money or he just plays even worse. You, meanwhile, continue to say NH but otherwise keep quiet.
Is it worth it to stay at this table or find another one?
Question 2:
Redirect this to a full ring game with similar scenarios. How many fish would you need with position on to make it good enough for sitting down? |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Jan 2006, 10:47pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 2195
WPP: 52
Location: NZ
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| Question 1: I had a similar scenario today at a 5 max table, where 3 were TAGG's and one calling station. Somehow he ended up a winner... |
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jan 2006, 1:45am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 416
WPP: 142
Location: golf course
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| elipsesjeff wrote: | Question 1:
Is it worth it to sit at a 6 max table where there is only one maniac, and you have position on him. Say the other 4 players are average players, 30/15/1.5 or so and fold SB/BB to steal 33% each, and the maniac directly on your right is a 70/45/4 through like 800 hands and has a nice 25 BB stack.
To make matters better, the other idiots at the table are berating him for his bad play and the guy just doesnt get it, it either encourages him to take their money or he just plays even worse. You, meanwhile, continue to say NH but otherwise keep quiet.
Is it worth it to stay at this table or find another one?
Question 2:
Redirect this to a full ring game with similar scenarios. How many fish
would you need with position on to make it good enough for sitting down? |
Hi Jeff
On the 6h question, for me what makes this worthwhile is his PFR stat. u have him at 70/45, and this should make you much more money than if he was 70/10 or so.
In my experience when you have a limpy loose player to your right and raise to isolate, you get cold-callers - especially in 6max, as you know (which you don't want because it thwarts your positional advantage and defeats the isolation).
But becuase 70/45 will open raise lots EP (and everywhere!!), u get to 3 bet and and have a much better chance of isolating. Of course u know that, but I think it's often overlooked by others that loose aggression on the immediate right is better than loose passive because too many people get invited to the party when group cold-call kicks in.
Some players argue that when otherwise good players get off their game by chasing fish it's a good thing, but so far for me I find it can be a mess of impossible reads and agro bluffs and semibluffs that make hard for me to find my way, especially OOP.
Hopefully I'll improve on this with experience. |
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jan 2006, 9:54am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 79
Location: emo-kid
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personally for me, i would change tables, because i don't like the potential nasty swings from this session (up and down).
like artic mentioned, your 3bet will increase your isolating chances by a large margin, bring it heads up with the maniac. but with a postflop aggression of 4, your maniac will go to war with you postflop. if you go into calldown mode, others will catch on (but i doubt they'll do anything about it).
as for question #2, one maniac on my right is good enough. no one behind me will call a 3bet unless i'm badly behind. although if there are no maniacs i'd prefer 2 or 3 regular fish on my right, and tight players to my left. |
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jan 2006, 1:26pm Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Posts: 4643
WPP: 90
Location: TagFish
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| What if maniac was 70/20/2 instead of the numbers I gave? It narrows down to, how many fish does one table need to make it a good 6 max table? Full Ring? |
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jan 2006, 9:54pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
Posts: 275
WPP: 90
Location: Denmark
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I'll do most 6max games with 2 fish who plays 50% or more hands. I'll skip em if I fail to get position on either fish. I'll also take a look at the rest of the table and how taggy these seem to be.
Fullring I really can't remember But I'd say 3 at least and a unimaginative lineup besides the fish/maniac would be super. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Jun 2006, 10:10am Post subject: Maybe Dumb Question
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Two Pair
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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| Ok I understand seat selection. But how do you get the seat you want online. I constantly wait for tables that have a loose passive play. But is there a way to request a seat or even move seats once you are seated at a table. I play Party and have scoured their pages to see if you can do this but I cant find a thing. Any help? |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Jun 2006, 12:05pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 2195
WPP: 52
Location: NZ
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| No you can't. If you want to change seats when you're seated you need to wait til the end of the hand you're dealt into then quickly exit and rejoin the table. |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Apr 2007, 12:02pm Post subject: Quick Question
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 585
WPP: 56
Location: In S-mart Swallowing Your Soul!
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| How are you getting these player stats to pop up on the table you are playing. Is this some sort of software you are running? |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Apr 2007, 12:07pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 4929
WPP: 81
Location: Pwnsylvania
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Posted: Mon, 09 Apr 2007, 12:49pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 585
WPP: 56
Location: In S-mart Swallowing Your Soul!
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| how much extra is the PAHUD/Gametime? |
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