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Posted: Mon, 27 Sep 2004, 6:53pm Post subject: who says micro limits cant be beat? |
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 617
WPP: 257
Location: Vegas
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My $5 SnG games have been on a major skid lately, causing my BR to go from 170 to 13  in the past two weeks. (happy I withdrew that $200 first) So I decided to hit the micros and do a little bottom-feeding.
Stats:
Hands: 136
VP$IP: 32%
W$WSF: 27%
BB/100 hands: 29
Went to SD: 40%
Won $ @ SD: 59%
PFR: 4.4%
Aggression Rating: .64 (overall)
You will of course see this kind of thing once in a while, but I just told him "nh". You gotta build up that notion of "any two cards will do", and just take the $ back later. Fnord,I hope this wasnt one of you followers. All in all, a fun and slightly profitable time.
CARDSON
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PokerStars Game #725597913: Hold'em Limit ($0.02/$0.04) - 2004/09/27 - 20:56:06 (ET)
Table 'Iapetus' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: analytical55 ($0.33 in chips)
Seat 3: Serene ($0.96 in chips)
Seat 5: YouAndMe2 ($0.54 in chips)
Seat 6: no t-bone ($0.26 in chips)
Seat 7: lashes2 ($0.22 in chips)
Seat 8: giglalad173 ($0.57 in chips)
Seat 9: dommia ($1.21 in chips)
Seat 10: RDU $teve ($1.36 in chips)
Serene: posts small blind $0.01
YouAndMe2: posts big blind $0.02
RDU $teve: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RDU $teve [Ks Kh]
no t-bone: calls $0.02
lashes2: folds
giglalad173: folds
dommia: calls $0.02
RDU $teve: raises $0.02 to $0.04
analytical55: calls $0.04
Serene: folds
YouAndMe2: calls $0.02
no t-bone: calls $0.02
dommia: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [7h 2d 4h]
YouAndMe2: checks
no t-bone: checks
dommia: bets $0.02
RDU $teve: raises $0.02 to $0.04
analytical55: calls $0.04
YouAndMe2: calls $0.04
no t-bone: folds
dommia: calls $0.02
*** TURN *** [7h 2d 4h] [Js]
YouAndMe2: checks
dommia: bets $0.04
RDU $teve: raises $0.04 to $0.08
analytical55: calls $0.08
YouAndMe2: folds
dommia: raises $0.04 to $0.12
RDU $teve: calls $0.04
IceProphet joins the table at seat #4
analytical55: calls $0.04
*** RIVER *** [7h 2d 4h Js] [Qs]
dommia: bets $0.04
RDU $teve: calls $0.04
analytical55: calls $0.04
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dommia: shows [4d 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
RDU $teve: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
analytical55: mucks hand
dommia collected $0.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.85 | Rake $0
Board [7h 2d 4h Js Qs]
Seat 1: analytical55 (button) mucked [5c Jh] - a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: Serene (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: YouAndMe2 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: no t-bone folded on the Flop
Seat 7: lashes2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: giglalad173 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dommia showed [4d 7c] and won ($0.85) with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 10: RDU $teve showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings |
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Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 7:57am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 617
WPP: 257
Location: Vegas
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Im looking for suggestions on what kind of numbers I should be shooting for. I keep hearing "less than 20% VP$IP, and more than 5% PFR %". As you can see, I worked on that a little; this may have helped with my win % (the last two stats), but we'll see in the long run. Dont worry about last nights BB/100, I took two bad beats in the middle of the session.
My party stats thus far
--------------------------Last night---------Overall
Game level-------------.50¢/$1-----------.50¢/$1
Total $ won-------------2.5----------------127.18
Hands Played-----------150---------------2741
Hours Played-----------2.52---------------48.3
BB/100 Hands----------1.6667------------4.6399
VP$IP-------------------20.6667-----------22.8019
PFR %-------------------5.333-------------3.8672
W @ SD %--------------61.54-------------57.438
WWSF %----------------27.2727----------26.7966
Here, I dont think I have to much to worry about; I do plan on bringing the VP$IP down some though. What kind of BB/100 should I be looking for in these; I've been thinking 10-15 sounds right.
PokerStars stats
--------------------------Last night---------Overall
Game level-------------.02/.04------------.02/.04
Total $ won-------------1.06---------------2.63
Hands Played-----------212----------------348
Hours Played-----------3.3833------------5.7333
BB/100 Hands----------12.5--------------18.8937
VP$IP-------------------27.8302-----------29.3103
PFR %-------------------6.6038------------5.7471
W @ SD %--------------55-----------------57.1429
WWSF %----------------20.2532-----------23.1343
PS Im still looking for a better way to export from PokerTracker and to post these numbers on here. any suggestions? |
Last edited by stevedonel on Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 8:06am; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 8:04am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17157
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Over the long run... (you really need 100k hands to get a good read on your win rate.)
~0BB/100 - Keeping up with the rake
up to 1BB/100 - Winning player
1+BB/100 - Soundly beating the game
3+BB/100 - Crushing the game
5+BB/100 - Near perfect play
Your samples are too small for even VP$IP/PFR, you really needs at least 1k hands to level out. Even then some hot/cold cards can swing it a couple %. |
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Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 8:17am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 617
WPP: 257
Location: Vegas
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| Fnord wrote: | | Your samples are too small for even VP$IP/PFR, you really needs at least 1k hands to level out. |
Are you saying I shouldnt even look at the numbers until after several thousand hands? How else can you judge your game from night to night, week to week then?
I dont want to go 3 weeks playing wrong but getting hot cards, then hit the inevitable cold streak while still playing wrong. I'm starting to think this is what happened with my run on the 3/6 game, where I was averaging almost 4BB/100 and then went crash-n-burn. |
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Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 8:34am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17157
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| SteveDonel wrote: | Are you saying I shouldnt even look at the numbers until after several thousand hands? How else can you judge your game from night to night, week to week then?
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You can't. All you can do in the short term is study hands to see if you're making the best possible decisions.
After a thousand or so hands you should have a good idea of where you're at with VP$IP and PFR. After 20k or so you can begin to make educated guesses as to if you can beat the game.
There really isn't a "correct" VP$IP and PFR. The better of a player you are, the more hands you can play profitably. At some point you reach neutral EV and are just adding to your variance. Although, a pretty ABC TAggish player runs around 17%/8%. I've seen numbers from winning players reported between 12-25%/5-12% |
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Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 1:38pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 23 Jul 2004
Posts: 19
WPP: 86
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Fnord,
Don't you think this stuff is a tad distracting, I would think there would be a tendancy to concentrate more on your stats than winning money.
Oh, and statistics aside, I feel if you are unable to tell whether or not you can beat a game within a few hours of play in that game, you probably can't
Buxx |
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Posted: Thu, 30 Sep 2004, 6:29am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 617
WPP: 257
Location: Vegas
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| Buxx wrote: | Fnord,
Don't you think this stuff is a tad distracting, I would think there would be a tendancy to concentrate more on your stats than winning money.
Oh, and statistics aside, I feel if you are unable to tell whether or not you can beat a game within a few hours of play in that game, you probably can't
Buxx |
I agree, you need to be able to make adjustments along the way. Clearly the more hands the better, for figuring out where you're going wrong/right. I doubt it's possible to get to 100,000 hands playing incorrectly, without going broke. |
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Posted: Sat, 02 Oct 2004, 7:30am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17157
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Just to show you how silly a small sample size is....
From last night:
458 hands
15.72% VP$IP
7BB/100
9.17% PFR
AF:
Flop: 4.27
Turn: 16.5
River: 3.83
Overall: 5.64 (post-flop)
Must be something about early in the month... |
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