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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 12:41pm Post subject: |
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Solicitor
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Posts: 336
WPP: 47
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | Yep, exactly.
Here's an update to the bot theory: any online site can pull this off without getting caught, and can easily fool all of us (including the experienced players, who will tend to write loss off as bad beats vs. there being a fix):
1. You have 5 players to start with. All replenish their online poker accounts with $100. The poker site has now made $500 (this obviously does not include future payouts).
2. The first 4 lose to the 5th, and thus replenish their accounts for another $100. The poker site has now made $900. (NOTE: The 5th hasn't cashed in because...well...he's an online poker player and doesn't do that unless he's cashing in a few grand at a time.)
3. In the next game, the 5th loses everything, and one of the other 4 players wins everyone else's cash. Again, 4 more replenish their accounts for $100, except for the one who won. The poker site has now made $1300, yet hasn't paid anyone yet.
4. In the next game, now the previous winner loses, and one of the other losers wins from everyone.
... as you can see, if this pattern continues...no one will ever have to be paid by the online poker site.
It would be so very easy for a poker site to deal you the cards in a way where you lose bad beat after bad beat (and by the way, that's where the odds don't match up to reality; the bad beats that occur exceed the normal odds for those types of bad beats occurring) , but to do it at a time that fits into the above scenario. To do it in a way where you win some of the time (these are the times when you're the winner that I described above that's taking everyone else's cash), but lose the rest and are thus forced (because of your gambling addiction) to replenish your online account.
Again, how do they do it? How do they make you lose? By dealing the cards in a way where the odds say you should have the best hand, yet you get beaten on a bad beat after betting high. The poker site knew that you'd bet high based on your deal and the community cards...then you did, and you lost. And more similar bad beat multiple times in that same game. Defying any odds you'd could reasonably call "normal."
Think about that for a bit. |
he was kidding.... at thanks for another dead cat....
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 1:05pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 9
WPP: 124
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On a completely separate side note: has anybody investigated beatcat? We might have a Kitty serial killer on hand here.
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 1:14pm Post subject: |
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | On a completely separate side note: has anybody investigated beatcat? We might have a Kitty serial killer on hand here.
PDM |
when they see your stupid post about bots and Party Poker being rigged they commit suicide |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Jan 2006, 1:08pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Posts: 152
WPP: 247
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| wow I was really THIS lame? |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Jan 2006, 1:31pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920
WPP: 120
Location: St. Louis
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| The only thing more amusing than people complaining about a poker site being rigged is all the people that insist on proving to them that it's not. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Jan 2006, 9:16pm Post subject: |
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Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Posts: 147
WPP: 176
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| DaNutsInYoEye wrote: | | The only thing more amusing than people complaining about a poker site being rigged is all the people that insist on proving to them that it's not. |
Damn Nuts, you took the wind out of my sails with that one. I do apologize for bumping this thread again, but I think I have something interesting and amusing and reasonable and NEW to say that will show how insane it is to think online poker is rigged. So disregard this post unless you're new and are harboring crackpot theories.
The other day I was dealt two mid PP's, 77 and 88. You best hope is a set in this situation. Well, both times times I flopped a quad. I believe the flops were 774 and 882. No overcard, no "rigged" card. And it was tough to get a fish to bite on these. It was squeezing blood from a turnip.
So, for each "rigged setup" that is claimed to get chips in the middle, here are two that did the exact opposite, thus negating the "rigged" profits. Flopping a set would have caused more action, an over card would have caused more action, even four to a flush would've caused more action. Stupid online poker for not taking advantage of their awesome rigging power.
And yesterday, I limped from BB K3o I believe, three seeing the flop. A K and a 3 flop. This alone wouldve been enough to seal the pot. But the turn was 3, and the river was, guess what, another 3! The only reason THIS pot was huge was because the player limped AK and gave no thought to what I could've POSSIBLY been betting on. A fishy play. And two out of the three these times I made the joke, something like, damn, I don't need a quad to win, can't these cards be spaced out over a couple hands? If they were, that would certainly cause more action, it would be a fine rigging maneuver.
What the conspiracy theorists fail to see is that these flops, full house flops, quad flops, flush flops, don't create more action but detract from it. The only reason it LOOKS like the opposite is that players are foolishly betting into these boards.
Say I see the flop with KQh and the flop is A53h. The fishy fish who is seeing it with A3o (cuz Axo is a MONSTER holding) starts betting like crazy, probably never entertaing the idea that somebody else could POSSIBLY be holding two hearts, or at the very least a flush draw. And when the A's and 3's get taken down, rigged!
If the online poker were rigged, you'd never see this, a player would any experience might slow way down seeing a board like this, and these flops are not the ones that generate the most action.
I don't need to reiterate all the stuff about odds, and how any combination is possible, and with enough hands all possible permutations will be seen, so that is all. I hope this was moderately helpful to somebody. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Jan 2006, 9:44pm Post subject: |
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 5204
WPP: 74
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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Yep, Party Poker is definitely fixed. : )
#Game No : 3354991618
***** Hand History for Game 3354991618 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:19112916 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, January 11, 20:16:46 EDT 2006
Table Table 67185 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: KorbenD ( $800 )
Seat 1: luggerguy ( $800 )
Seat 9: f175205 ( $800 )
Seat 4: whatever1230 ( $800 )
Seat 2: Renton555 ( $800 )
Seat 6: Catch__22__ ( $800 )
Seat 8: jadi01 ( $800 )
Seat 7: tiefighter87 ( $800 )
Seat 5: mattrow23 ( $800 )
Seat 3: kjawz ( $800 )
Trny:19112916 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Ks Kc ]
Catch__22__ folds.
tiefighter87 folds.
jadi01 calls [15].
f175205 folds.
KorbenD calls [15].
luggerguy raises [95].
Renton555 is all-In [800]
kjawz folds.
whatever1230 is all-In [790]
mattrow23 folds.
jadi01 folds.
KorbenD folds.
luggerguy is all-In [705]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 8c, Td ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
luggerguy shows [ As, Ad ] two pairs, aces and eights.
Renton555 shows [ Ks, Kc ] two pairs, kings and eights.
whatever1230 shows [ Ac, Ah ] two pairs, aces and eights.
luggerguy wins 1222 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights.
whatever1230 wins 1223 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights.
Renton555 finished in tenth place.
Renton555 has left the table.
Game #3354995123 starts. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 2:16am Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Posts: 7
WPP: 178
Location: Illinois
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Bearcat,
your last kitten looks like a junkie. Is it lying in a pile of broken crack vials? Don't try to pin this one on Pokerdude; this was clearly a case of an overdose!
Why did you let the kitten get hooked in the first place? |
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