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Fold
73%
 73%  [ 14 ]
Call
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Raise
26%
 26%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 19

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silverfist
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:21am    Post subject: Poker Quiz Reply with quote
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Here's a nice little quiz I thought up.

CO raises and everyone folds to you on the big blind with 8Diamond 9Diamond. You call.

The flop comes 2Club 6Spade 7Spade.

You bet. He raises. You call.

The turn is the JHeart.

You check. He checks.

The river is the 2Diamond.

You check again. He bets.

Admittedly, this wasn't the best played hand. I would check-raise the flop and bet the river. However, given the situation, what do you do?
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dsaxton
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:41am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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After playing the hand this way, I'd check-fold the river. A check-raise makes no sense after bet-calling, then checking both the turn and river. I assume you could check-raise, but an aware opponent might even call this with A-K high.

I'd check-raise the flop and lead both the turn and river, assuming my opponent only called my flop raise. If he reraised, I'd call and check-call the turn if I didn't make my straight, and check-raise if I did. I'd do the same on the river if I missed on the turn.
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Demiparadigm
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 5:53am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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leading out on the river is much better than check raising.

It looks like you missed a check raise on the turn and are betting for value.
A check raise on the river makes no sense, and a good player will look you up a lot of the time.
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Pelion
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 12:44pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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he could easily be on the either the straight or flush draw after a blind steal. I vote raise but fold to a reraise. On the other hand i dont play limit.
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Pelion
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 12:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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he could easily be on the either the straight or flush draw after a blind steal. I vote raise but fold to a reraise. On the other hand i dont play limit.


edit: actually with the river pairing the board you arent really representing anything by check raising. Probably fold lol.
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ihategnomes
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 2:38pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I fold preflop, then fold the river.
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fade177
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 2:51pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My vote is for raise, I think he's taking the pot thinking you missed ur draw, but he missed his too. Push it a big bet and take it down....
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iopq
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would raise, but that's because last time I accidentally clicked raise instead of fold and the other guy folded... so I'm being results oriented. But my original vote WAS raise. Of course I can't do this against a fish. I have to see that my opponent is tight and might see that a raise here might mean trip deuces.
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Demiparadigm
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 7:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ihategnomes wrote:
I fold preflop, then fold the river.


No way I fold preflop.
I would then checkraise any flop that hit me in any way (including this one)

And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.
A good player with trip deusces would lead this river to avoid the chance it gets checked through.
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elipsesjeff
Post Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 9:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Demiparadigm wrote:
ihategnomes wrote:
I fold preflop, then fold the river.


No way I fold preflop.
I would then checkraise any flop that hit me in any way (including this one)

And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.
A good player with trip deusces would lead this river to avoid the chance it gets checked through.
I can see arguments for both folding and calling. For folding, this guy is an unknown and unlikely to be stealing and you are at best a 60/40 underdog if not worse. The pot is small, you have no reason to get involved in a statistically weak-tight full ring game. Shorthanded is a different story...

Calling preflop would probably be break-even at best, maybe slightly profitable if you know how to play post flop. I dont think silverfist IMHO can play this that well OOP facing an unknown preflop raiser. However, had I called, I would have check/raised this flop and gone from there. After he raised for his free card he's got a couple overcards, maybe even a small pocket pair, and depending on his read I say he more likely calls than folds at this level. You have to be good here 25% of the time, and without a read I would just give it up and wait for another opportunity.
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ihategnomes
Post Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 1:25pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.


Bad players generally call to much. When does check-raising become a good strategy when you are bluffing?

I could make this call preflop, I just need a read of a steal, without one I am folding in this itty bitty pot. Jeff hit most of my reason on why I would fold.
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