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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 2:02am Post subject: Rippy's a genius.... |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 144
WPP: 164
Location: North Carolina
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Alright, so yeah i've been tryin to play some super tight poker, applying the gap concept and all. Thats where you must have better hands to call raises than to make raises. I say pooohawkey or some funny word like that. Gappers suited connectors are great. Junk can be gold if you play it right. They are easy to fold and hard to detect. I finally finished ITM in a tourney, and it works at cash games too. I'm a good 15-20% looser, but it's paying off so well. Multiway pots for cheap are wonderful..... Now I'm not saying you completely forget how to play tight. I made some great folds today, but loosening up your calling requirements can significantly improve your game....
here's an example, it even involve's rippy's fav 74o:
Full Tilt Poker Game #361461015: Table Mesa Peak - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:49:10 ET - 2005/12/31
Seat 1: larryluv09 ($15.25)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan ($12.35)
Seat 3: Acetronaught ($8.10)
Seat 4: SLOpoker ($10.45)
Seat 5: nRgForU ($24.65)
Seat 6: CD123 ($7.95)
Seat 7: fade177 ($43.90)
Seat 8: Darko69 ($20.70)
Seat 9: bumacher ($12.15)
CD123 posts the small blind of $0.10
fade177 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [4c 7h]
Darko69 folds
bumacher folds
larryluv09 folds
Fl_Fight_Fan folds
Acetronaught folds
SLOpoker raises to $0.85
nRgForU folds
CD123 folds
fade177 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 2d]
fade177 checks
SLOpoker bets $1.80
fade177 raises to $3.60
SLOpoker calls $1.80
*** TURN *** [2c 7c 2d] [6s]
fade177 bets $6
SLOpoker folds
Uncalled bet of $6 returned to fade177
fade177 mucks
fade177 wins the pot ($8.55)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9 | Rake $0.45
Board: [2c 7c 2d 6s]
Seat 1: larryluv09 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Acetronaught didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SLOpoker folded on the Turn
Seat 5: nRgForU (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CD123 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: fade177 (big blind) collected ($8.55), mucked
Seat 8: Darko69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bumacher didn't bet (folded) |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 3:13am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1918
WPP: 120
Location: St. Louis
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| It's great to hear that you're starting to expand your game beyond camping. I'd like to hear your thought process during this hand though and why you were successful. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 3:21am Post subject: |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 144
WPP: 164
Location: North Carolina
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| SloPoker is a relatively solid player. He tilts a bit quickly but he raises with quality hands. I haven't seen him showdown and show a two pair 94 or something like that. I was thinking 1) I can out stack this player, if it comes down to it, I know I can get him off the hand. 2) It's going to be heads up, I'm no worse than a 2 to 1 underdog right here, and 3) He has seen me play solid poker as well, so he will not suspect this. When I hit two pair on the board, I check knowing that he will bet his A high expecting to take it down. However, I didn't want him to see more cards for free. However, If I raise harder, he folds right there. So I min reraise. When the turn fires a blank, I figure it's time to make him pay for that A high, and place a bet that would force him all in. My reraise already said, I have the best hand unless you improve, and now I was saying, I know you didn't improve but can you call me. I think it was a well played hand, and I played several hands like this at that table. It was fun for once to be the person being sworn at for playing garbage rather than doing the swearing... |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 9:35am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7509
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| fade177 wrote: | | SloPoker is a relatively solid player. He tilts a bit quickly but he raises with quality hands. I haven't seen him showdown and show a two pair 94 or something like that. I was thinking 1) I can out stack this player, if it comes down to it, I know I can get him off the hand. 2) It's going to be heads up, I'm no worse than a 2 to 1 underdog right here, and 3) He has seen me play solid poker as well, so he will not suspect this. When I hit two pair on the board, I check knowing that he will bet his A high expecting to take it down. However, I didn't want him to see more cards for free. However, If I raise harder, he folds right there. So I min reraise. When the turn fires a blank, I figure it's time to make him pay for that A high, and place a bet that would force him all in. My reraise already said, I have the best hand unless you improve, and now I was saying, I know you didn't improve but can you call me. I think it was a well played hand, and I played several hands like this at that table. It was fun for once to be the person being sworn at for playing garbage rather than doing the swearing... | The importance in this are your first 6 words.
This strategy only works against tight players or players you can put on a limited number of hands. The flop mini raise though is bad, pump this upto 3 times his bet, your hand can easily be outdrawn. If he pushes your beat, or hes a donk, unlikey a donk on your coments.
This is a good call imo, but making them against the wrong sort of player will cost you money so be careful but keep it up |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 2:29pm Post subject: |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 144
WPP: 164
Location: North Carolina
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| So, I should reraise the flop harder and take it there. If you notice after the call he only had i believe 5.85 in his stack. I don't think he'll call if I push any harder and i was willing to accept a little risk at the time. Had he had a deeper stack I believe I would have thrown a good 6.5 to 7 dollar raise right there. I think I made the play based on stack size. But I get what ya mean about not taking the cahcne of getting drawn on.... |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 3:15pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7509
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Yeah offering a mini raise encourages a few things
1. Odds chsaing, if you mini raise here you dont kill my odds to chase two overs, in fact your just building a pot more than defending your hand.
2. Your encouraging opp to fold, but also to pay you when he has a big overpair on this flop and you hit something good.
3. Although a tough call for you in many situations, encouraging opp to commit his stack with 6 live outs and a 20-25% to win. Them's odds you gotta like.
Of course, if you hve a set here offering a mini raise is a great way to keep him interested in catching a piece or bluffing on later streets. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:20pm Post subject: Re: Rippy's a genius.... |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 1523
WPP: 113
Location: Downswinging holla!
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| fade177 wrote: | Alright, so yeah i've been tryin to play some super tight poker, applying the gap concept and all. Thats where you must have better hands to call raises than to make raises. I say pooohawkey or some funny word like that. Gappers suited connectors are great. Junk can be gold if you play it right. They are easy to fold and hard to detect. I finally finished ITM in a tourney, and it works at cash games too. I'm a good 15-20% looser, but it's paying off so well. Multiway pots for cheap are wonderful..... Now I'm not saying you completely forget how to play tight. I made some great folds today, but loosening up your calling requirements can significantly improve your game....
here's an example, it even involve's rippy's fav 74o:
Full Tilt Poker Game #361461015: Table Mesa Peak - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:49:10 ET - 2005/12/31
Seat 1: larryluv09 ($15.25)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan ($12.35)
Seat 3: Acetronaught ($8.10)
Seat 4: SLOpoker ($10.45)
Seat 5: nRgForU ($24.65)
Seat 6: CD123 ($7.95)
Seat 7: fade177 ($43.90)
Seat 8: Darko69 ($20.70)
Seat 9: bumacher ($12.15)
CD123 posts the small blind of $0.10
fade177 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [4c 7h]
Darko69 folds
bumacher folds
larryluv09 folds
Fl_Fight_Fan folds
Acetronaught folds
SLOpoker raises to $0.85
nRgForU folds
CD123 folds
fade177 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 2d]
fade177 checks
SLOpoker bets $1.80
fade177 raises to $3.60
SLOpoker calls $1.80
*** TURN *** [2c 7c 2d] [6s]
fade177 bets $6
SLOpoker folds
Uncalled bet of $6 returned to fade177
fade177 mucks
fade177 wins the pot ($8.55)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9 | Rake $0.45
Board: [2c 7c 2d 6s]
Seat 1: larryluv09 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Acetronaught didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SLOpoker folded on the Turn
Seat 5: nRgForU (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CD123 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: fade177 (big blind) collected ($8.55), mucked
Seat 8: Darko69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bumacher didn't bet (folded) |
There's really a difference between loosening your starting requirments and playing total junk. I don't really agree with making that call with 74o. Your hand is terrible and you are out of position. It looks like it works there, but it's a losing play in the long term. The min-raise on the flop is just terrible, don't ever min-raise. Your hand is vulnerable if he has something like two overs, and you are giving him odds to chase. Make a big raise on the flop that tells him you are commited to the pot so that he will fold his ace high. I'll make a call like this sometimes with a hand like T8s, but that's if I feel the implied odds are there. This guy has a shortstack and you aren't going to win much if you hit a miracle flop anyways. On top of that, if he has an overpair you're drawing almost completely dead. You cannot push a shortstack off of an overpair or top pair or anything of the sort, so don't come into the pot with intent to make him fold.
I don't mean to seem harsh or anything, but you should really be careful making plays like this. Your hand is just horrible and you don't have nearly as much fold equity as you think. Gl at the tables. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:25pm Post subject: Re: Rippy's a genius.... |
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Straight
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Posts: 170
WPP: 192
Location: Delaware, USA
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| aislephive wrote: | | fade177 wrote: | Alright, so yeah i've been tryin to play some super tight poker, applying the gap concept and all. Thats where you must have better hands to call raises than to make raises. I say pooohawkey or some funny word like that. Gappers suited connectors are great. Junk can be gold if you play it right. They are easy to fold and hard to detect. I finally finished ITM in a tourney, and it works at cash games too. I'm a good 15-20% looser, but it's paying off so well. Multiway pots for cheap are wonderful..... Now I'm not saying you completely forget how to play tight. I made some great folds today, but loosening up your calling requirements can significantly improve your game....
here's an example, it even involve's rippy's fav 74o:
Full Tilt Poker Game #361461015: Table Mesa Peak - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:49:10 ET - 2005/12/31
Seat 1: larryluv09 ($15.25)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan ($12.35)
Seat 3: Acetronaught ($8.10)
Seat 4: SLOpoker ($10.45)
Seat 5: nRgForU ($24.65)
Seat 6: CD123 ($7.95)
Seat 7: fade177 ($43.90)
Seat 8: Darko69 ($20.70)
Seat 9: bumacher ($12.15)
CD123 posts the small blind of $0.10
fade177 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [4c 7h]
Darko69 folds
bumacher folds
larryluv09 folds
Fl_Fight_Fan folds
Acetronaught folds
SLOpoker raises to $0.85
nRgForU folds
CD123 folds
fade177 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 2d]
fade177 checks
SLOpoker bets $1.80
fade177 raises to $3.60
SLOpoker calls $1.80
*** TURN *** [2c 7c 2d] [6s]
fade177 bets $6
SLOpoker folds
Uncalled bet of $6 returned to fade177
fade177 mucks
fade177 wins the pot ($8.55)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9 | Rake $0.45
Board: [2c 7c 2d 6s]
Seat 1: larryluv09 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Acetronaught didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SLOpoker folded on the Turn
Seat 5: nRgForU (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CD123 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: fade177 (big blind) collected ($8.55), mucked
Seat 8: Darko69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bumacher didn't bet (folded) |
There's really a difference between loosening your starting requirments and playing total junk. I don't really agree with making that call with 74o. Your hand is terrible and you are out of position. It looks like it works there, but it's a losing play in the long term. The min-raise on the flop is just terrible, don't ever min-raise. Your hand is vulnerable if he has something like two overs, and you are giving him odds to chase. Make a big raise on the flop that tells him you are commited to the pot so that he will fold his ace high. I'll make a call like this sometimes with a hand like T8s, but that's if I feel the implied odds are there. This guy has a shortstack and you aren't going to win much if you hit a miracle flop anyways. On top of that, if he has an overpair you're drawing almost completely dead. You cannot push a shortstack off of an overpair or top pair or anything of the sort, so don't come into the pot with intent to make him fold.
I don't mean to seem harsh or anything, but you should really be careful making plays like this. Your hand is just horrible and you don't have nearly as much fold equity as you think. Gl at the tables. |
He's OOP but isn't the fact that he's BB, has 4x the villain's stack, and knows if the flop is all rags he's most likely ahead enough to at least take the discounted look at the flop and then just be smart from there? (ie. nothing hits, get out of the hand) |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 4:34pm Post subject: Re: Rippy's a genius.... |
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 1523
WPP: 113
Location: Downswinging holla!
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| azureXsmurF wrote: | | aislephive wrote: | | fade177 wrote: | Alright, so yeah i've been tryin to play some super tight poker, applying the gap concept and all. Thats where you must have better hands to call raises than to make raises. I say pooohawkey or some funny word like that. Gappers suited connectors are great. Junk can be gold if you play it right. They are easy to fold and hard to detect. I finally finished ITM in a tourney, and it works at cash games too. I'm a good 15-20% looser, but it's paying off so well. Multiway pots for cheap are wonderful..... Now I'm not saying you completely forget how to play tight. I made some great folds today, but loosening up your calling requirements can significantly improve your game....
here's an example, it even involve's rippy's fav 74o:
Full Tilt Poker Game #361461015: Table Mesa Peak - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:49:10 ET - 2005/12/31
Seat 1: larryluv09 ($15.25)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan ($12.35)
Seat 3: Acetronaught ($8.10)
Seat 4: SLOpoker ($10.45)
Seat 5: nRgForU ($24.65)
Seat 6: CD123 ($7.95)
Seat 7: fade177 ($43.90)
Seat 8: Darko69 ($20.70)
Seat 9: bumacher ($12.15)
CD123 posts the small blind of $0.10
fade177 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [4c 7h]
Darko69 folds
bumacher folds
larryluv09 folds
Fl_Fight_Fan folds
Acetronaught folds
SLOpoker raises to $0.85
nRgForU folds
CD123 folds
fade177 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 2d]
fade177 checks
SLOpoker bets $1.80
fade177 raises to $3.60
SLOpoker calls $1.80
*** TURN *** [2c 7c 2d] [6s]
fade177 bets $6
SLOpoker folds
Uncalled bet of $6 returned to fade177
fade177 mucks
fade177 wins the pot ($8.55)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9 | Rake $0.45
Board: [2c 7c 2d 6s]
Seat 1: larryluv09 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Fl_Fight_Fan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Acetronaught didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SLOpoker folded on the Turn
Seat 5: nRgForU (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CD123 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: fade177 (big blind) collected ($8.55), mucked
Seat 8: Darko69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bumacher didn't bet (folded) |
There's really a difference between loosening your starting requirments and playing total junk. I don't really agree with making that call with 74o. Your hand is terrible and you are out of position. It looks like it works there, but it's a losing play in the long term. The min-raise on the flop is just terrible, don't ever min-raise. Your hand is vulnerable if he has something like two overs, and you are giving him odds to chase. Make a big raise on the flop that tells him you are commited to the pot so that he will fold his ace high. I'll make a call like this sometimes with a hand like T8s, but that's if I feel the implied odds are there. This guy has a shortstack and you aren't going to win much if you hit a miracle flop anyways. On top of that, if he has an overpair you're drawing almost completely dead. You cannot push a shortstack off of an overpair or top pair or anything of the sort, so don't come into the pot with intent to make him fold.
I don't mean to seem harsh or anything, but you should really be careful making plays like this. Your hand is just horrible and you don't have nearly as much fold equity as you think. Gl at the tables. |
He's OOP but isn't the fact that he's BB, has 4x the villain's stack, and knows if the flop is all rags he's most likely ahead enough to at least take the discounted look at the flop and then just be smart from there? (ie. nothing hits, get out of the hand) |
First off, he is almost never ahead pre-flop. Second off, he can still be behind assuming he hits the flop (and is never ahead if he misses). What about a 72K flop or something like that? To make a call with this kind of hand you might as well be in the hand without anything, because if you feel he has just ace high then you can make this play with anything. But I don't think he has enough fold equity from the start to make this play a winner and I don't think he's coming into the pot looking for a miracle flop anyways with poor implied odds. So essentially you're coming into the pot looking to make a play on a guy with a shortstack. Everybody knows that once a shorty makes a pair all the chips are going in the middle. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 12:04am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Posts: 3248
WPP: 157
Location: Ohio
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| There is opening your game up, then there is being a total fish and calling a raise out of the BB with 74o. Against someone with only 40BB. Fun, maybe. Good poker? Far from it. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:10am Post subject: |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 144
WPP: 164
Location: North Carolina
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| You guys are forgetting board texture, and my opponent. Let's forget the cards for a moment. Imagine I have two jokers because my cards don't matter. If the board comes K72, it is not a tuff fold, to a raise. But also a lead out bet will work here as well. If he has a King he calls or reraises and I slow down, and check/fold the hand, when he doesn't have a K, I take down the pot. In this particular situation, calling with KQ can be difficult OOP if the flop comes 6Q4, AQ or QQ, KK, AA are scary hands there and harder to get rid of my TPGK. Perhaps I overestimate my ability to get him off a hand, but remember I haven't shown fishiness yet, and he plays a pretty tight game. I can gain leverage by simply pushing on him, and really slow down when he plays back. What I'm saying is that calling a raise when you have the stack to with a hand like 97s, can be profitable, especially in position. One you know your an underdog and can get rid of the hand quite quickly, but its also hard to detect. It's about board texture, hammer when your opp has missed, you have to read the board. Just cause you have a piece does not mean that you have the goods yet.... |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:31pm Post subject: |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Posts: 144
WPP: 164
Location: North Carolina
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here's a better example:
Full Tilt Poker Game #363445795: Table Fort Apache - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:10:53 ET - 2006/01/01
Seat 1: FTPAbe ($52.30)
Seat 2: Teaguen ($35.05)
Seat 3: Sly Wood ($10.95)
Seat 4: GWILL14 ($29.45)
Seat 5: Fireman Chris ($11.20)
Seat 6: Pyrophoric ($24.50)
Seat 7: F2the4th ($16.50)
Seat 8: Para64 ($19.20)
Seat 9: fade177 ($24.75)
GWILL14 posts the small blind of $0.10
Fireman Chris posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [8h 6h]
Pyrophoric folds
F2the4th raises to $0.50
Para64 folds
fade177 calls $0.50
FTPAbe folds
Teaguen folds
Sly Wood folds
GWILL14 folds
Fireman Chris calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7h Tc 9d]
Sly Wood: wish i'd of done that on the turn
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th checks
fade177 bets $0.50
Fireman Chris calls $0.50
F2the4th calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [7h Tc 9d] [Qh]
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th bets $0.50
fade177 raises to $4.60
Fireman Chris raises to $10.20, and is all in
F2the4th folds
fade177 calls $5.60
Fireman Chris shows [9h Qd]
fade177 shows [8h 6h]
*** RIVER *** [7h Tc 9d Qh] [4c]
Fireman Chris shows two pair, Queens and Nines
fade177 shows a straight, Ten high
fade177 wins the pot ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high
Fireman Chris stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24 | Rake $1.20
Board: [7h Tc 9d Qh 4c]
Seat 1: FTPAbe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Teaguen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sly Wood (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: GWILL14 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Fireman Chris (big blind) showed [9h Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 6: Pyrophoric didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: F2the4th folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Para64 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: fade177 showed [8h 6h] and won ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high |
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 1523
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Location: Downswinging holla!
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| fade177 wrote: | here's a better example:
Full Tilt Poker Game #363445795: Table Fort Apache - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:10:53 ET - 2006/01/01
Seat 1: FTPAbe ($52.30)
Seat 2: Teaguen ($35.05)
Seat 3: Sly Wood ($10.95)
Seat 4: GWILL14 ($29.45)
Seat 5: Fireman Chris ($11.20)
Seat 6: Pyrophoric ($24.50)
Seat 7: F2the4th ($16.50)
Seat 8: Para64 ($19.20)
Seat 9: fade177 ($24.75)
GWILL14 posts the small blind of $0.10
Fireman Chris posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [8h 6h]
Pyrophoric folds
F2the4th raises to $0.50
Para64 folds
fade177 calls $0.50
FTPAbe folds
Teaguen folds
Sly Wood folds
GWILL14 folds
Fireman Chris calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7h Tc 9d]
Sly Wood: wish i'd of done that on the turn
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th checks
fade177 bets $0.50
Fireman Chris calls $0.50
F2the4th calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [7h Tc 9d] [Qh]
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th bets $0.50
fade177 raises to $4.60
Fireman Chris raises to $10.20, and is all in
F2the4th folds
fade177 calls $5.60
Fireman Chris shows [9h Qd]
fade177 shows [8h 6h]
*** RIVER *** [7h Tc 9d Qh] [4c]
Fireman Chris shows two pair, Queens and Nines
fade177 shows a straight, Ten high
fade177 wins the pot ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high
Fireman Chris stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24 | Rake $1.20
Board: [7h Tc 9d Qh 4c]
Seat 1: FTPAbe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Teaguen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sly Wood (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: GWILL14 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Fireman Chris (big blind) showed [9h Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 6: Pyrophoric didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: F2the4th folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Para64 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: fade177 showed [8h 6h] and won ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high |
There is a pretty big difference between that hand and the one you originally posted. 68s is a nice hand to get in cheap with (like calling a min-raise), but 47o is just a total crap hand that should always be folded when you have the option to.
Also, bet bigger on that flop man. The last thing you want is somebody to catch a higher straight on you. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jan 2006, 11:26pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 1102
WPP: 80
Location: Wastin' away again in margaritaville....
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| fade177 wrote: | here's a better example:
Full Tilt Poker Game #363445795: Table Fort Apache - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:10:53 ET - 2006/01/01
Seat 1: FTPAbe ($52.30)
Seat 2: Teaguen ($35.05)
Seat 3: Sly Wood ($10.95)
Seat 4: GWILL14 ($29.45)
Seat 5: Fireman Chris ($11.20)
Seat 6: Pyrophoric ($24.50)
Seat 7: F2the4th ($16.50)
Seat 8: Para64 ($19.20)
Seat 9: fade177 ($24.75)
GWILL14 posts the small blind of $0.10
Fireman Chris posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [8h 6h]
Pyrophoric folds
F2the4th raises to $0.50
Para64 folds
fade177 calls $0.50
FTPAbe folds
Teaguen folds
Sly Wood folds
GWILL14 folds
Fireman Chris calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7h Tc 9d]
Sly Wood: wish i'd of done that on the turn
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th checks
fade177 bets $0.50
Fireman Chris calls $0.50
F2the4th calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [7h Tc 9d] [Qh]
Fireman Chris checks
F2the4th bets $0.50
fade177 raises to $4.60
Fireman Chris raises to $10.20, and is all in
F2the4th folds
fade177 calls $5.60
Fireman Chris shows [9h Qd]
fade177 shows [8h 6h]
*** RIVER *** [7h Tc 9d Qh] [4c]
Fireman Chris shows two pair, Queens and Nines
fade177 shows a straight, Ten high
fade177 wins the pot ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high
Fireman Chris stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24 | Rake $1.20
Board: [7h Tc 9d Qh 4c]
Seat 1: FTPAbe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Teaguen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sly Wood (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: GWILL14 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Fireman Chris (big blind) showed [9h Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 6: Pyrophoric didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: F2the4th folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Para64 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: fade177 showed [8h 6h] and won ($22.80) with a straight, Ten high |
I don't call with that from mid-position unless there is a very small chance that it will be re-raised.... From the co/button or blinds I will
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Posted: Tue, 03 Jan 2006, 4:27am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 1090
WPP: 125
Location: Bangkok
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first hand was horrible, you hand is junk, with 76s that call is justifiable. second is better but a so-so hand because he only has 60% of full stack, with full stacks I call if you have confidence in your post flop play. Here is an example of a loose call OOP I thought I would post in the high stakes section but I will post it here too..
Playing out of the box can be profitable but you shouldnt be overdoing it. Also I believe it is more profitable in ring because the stacks are normally deeper thus giving you more implied odds thus it is more profitable to play hands with hugh implied odds such as small PP's and SC's and gappers.
The call PF is loose but I could let these go if I didnt hit, he was raising quite a lot PF and we had a history of playing back at each other and he was really aggressive. Nothing special really but playing hands like these strong are something to add to my normal arsenal, against arsenalfca
Hand #166764368 at table: Table TH 914
Started: Mon Jan 02 20:17:44 2006
arsenalfca is at seat 1 with 799.05
tunco is at seat 2 with 170.40
marctri is at seat 3 with 770.25
Saalis is at seat 4 with 612.50
feccia2 is at seat 5 with 121.72
Saalis posts the large blind 6.00
marctri posts the small blind 3.00
marctri: --, --
Saalis: 4d, 5d
feccia2: --, --
arsenalfca: --, --
tunco: --, --
Pre-flop:
feccia2: Call 6.00
arsenalfca: Raise 24.00
tunco: Fold
marctri: Fold
Saalis: Call 24.00 I call 3x more, these HH's suck
feccia2: Fold
Flop (Board: 2s, 3h, 5h):
Saalis: Check
arsenalfca: Bet 48.00 he almost always bets
Saalis: Raise 114.00 I think I am able to take it down here
arsenalfca: Raise 234.00 now I am pretty sure he has an overpair here
Saalis: All in but I also think that he is able to fold it, if not I most likely have as much as 13 outs.
arsenalfca: Fold
Saalis wins the pot of 522.00 by default
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