KK ace on flop

Have been reading FTR for a while decided to join at last.
Here is my question guys.

What is the best general play here with KK?

Should I muck to the bet, call, rasie, call the raise, cap?
The villain may probably put me on pocker pair if I reraise preflop his early raise. What if he has say 99-QQ?
Blind might be just got nuts with some 88 or worse here.

Same with only 1 opponent?
With TT-QQ and 1 overcard?

Thanks .

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR Hand History Converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K Spade

, K

.
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J Spade

, A

, 3

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

I fold to the bet here, but call the 3 bet.
getting 17 to 1 you have to call for your set/ backdoor straight outs.
However, you don't have odds when it is capped preflop and you are bet into on this board.

Good Luck.

I'd probably raise like you did here. The pot is huge, and you're after info. He might not have an ace, and just have been betting to see if he could drive out other pairs. When he reraises, he's telling you he has an ace. Don't fold to the 3-bet, though. You've almost got odds to chase that king to the turn, and the implied odds there are massive. AK is the most likely hand, and AK will go to war with you if a king drops.

I think you are way behind on this flop. I probably check/fold if it is checked to me.

WTF is SB doing?

Ok, so UTG raised, got threebet and capped, and STILL leads out on the flop? He's got an ace. Let it go to his leading raise. If you do raise, you have to call this threebet and dump the turn UI.

I think the problem is that there is no respect to the button raise, but 3 bet looks really strong. If so the best play is probably just to fold not getting involved at all.

Although anyone at UTG would bet almost anything if SB checked. 1 bet is not quite loud, he cannot afford showing weakness in this big pot. If UTG way behind he could attempt 3 bet as a last chance bluff to fold higher PP if there is such. This is probably fold if HU, but in this situation the pot is quite large.

There are virtually no outs for "backdoor gutshot" and if he has AK or AA I am dead, but implied odds seem pretty good to call small bet if I got so involved.

I remember doing this play from early position, the guy said he had KK and I 3 bet bluffed with JJ, thinking to give up on the turn if he capped flop.

Do you bet from UTG with decent PP here? Do you fold to the raise?
SB messed it up here.

S

You see, the flop is AJ so you gotta hope that the bet is from QQ or KQ or KJ (slightly weak to call a cap but meh?)

If the flop was like A94 or something then there would be more pocket pairs who could bet that you can beat.

In any case, you're either far behind for far ahead. In this case calling saves the most bets when you're behind, gains the pot when you're ahead. I doubt someone who's behind will keep betting the turn... but you never know
in any case a flop bet is cheap to call and see if he bets the turn

I love your guy's decision on this thread (Sarcasm), all the check/folding going on in such a huge pot is horrible. He is less likely to have a strong holding on the flop that he likes so much otherwise he would raise more for value (like on the turn) than on the flop (for protection). I'm calling this down HU.

Live hand from Wednesday night, that just is hilarious:

Live 10/20 at Hollywood Casino (5 Handed)

Hero is in MP and has Two of Diamonds

(or other hand don't matter)

Well, a little history, UTG looked really young, in fact he was waiting for the 5/10 game to start and they said they had an open 10/20 table open so he said 'why not?' He only had $100 or so with him at the time so i knew when he sat to my right he was a donk.

UTG Raises, Hero Folds, Button (decent TAG player) Calls, SB Folds, BB Folds.

Flop: Ace of Spades

(2 handed) Pot is 5.5 SB

UTG (probably just turned 21) Bets, Button Raises, UTG Folds, Throwing his cards face up in disgust at his bad luck: King of Clubs

The kid continues to rant on how bad his luck is, that he was "praying for no ace on the flop" the conversation continues (as I look away grinning):

Kid: I knew you had that ace, I was praying for no ace on the flop and it always happens when I get KK, man, my luck.

TAG Guy looks in a surprised manner at myself while I give him the same look.

Kid: You had the Ace, right? I know you did...

TAG Guy: Nah man, I didn't have the ace, I was on a club draw. I was just raising to see if you had the ace or not.

The Kid's face went from bad to worse as he just didn't know what to think. He only had about $40 left after this hand, not enough for him to do anything and yet he is still talking about 'the hand.'

Poor kid. Brick wall

Moral of the story: You could go your life never folding KK HU and it would be less of a mistake than folding one pot you would have won.

Huge difference between a HU raised pot and multiway capped pot.

HU I call down too.

except when more people see the flop there is a much bigger chance that one of them has an A. If 8 people see this flop, then all fold except 1 can we think our K is good enough to call down here just because it is now HU? or do we assume the one of them that is still in now has an AA, and the others folded because they didnt have it.

*Last edited by 6high on Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 3:03pm; edited 1 time in total*

Hero needs to think he is good one in four (9.5:2.5) to call this to the river.

I don't see this being the case when he is bet into after 3betting preflop on a rainbow AJx board.

Without a read that villian is a mentally deficiant lagtard, I think a fold is the best option.

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