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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 11:46am Post subject: believe him and fold? or push? |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Posts: 945
WPP: 90
Location: san fernando valley
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2nd hand at this table. Tourney chip leader is in bb. 2xbb preflop by other player took down blinds last hand so min-raised to ensure action. Checked flop since it was fairly harmless, assuming opp called with a value hand.
Do you believe him and fold, or push? (I don't think calling is a good option.)
#Game No : 3280199343
***** Hand History for Game 3280199343 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:18702232 Level:8 Blinds (150/300) - Thursday, December 29, 13:20:33 EDT 2005
Table Multi Table(553765) Table #10 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: garypmoss ( $290 )
Seat 2: konahead ( $6887 )
Seat 3: tz1111 ( $6470 )
Seat 4: force999 ( $5770 )
Seat 5: indrick05 ( $9634 )
Seat 6: TomNY123 ( $9076 )
Seat 7: detached1 ( $6452 )
Seat 8: sloopjockey ( $15618 )
Seat 9: ezedie ( $4675 )
Seat 10: justhitmyset ( $11361 )
Trny:18702232 Level:8
Blinds (150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to konahead [ As Ad ]
ezedie folds.
justhitmyset folds.
garypmoss folds.
konahead raises [600].
tz1111 folds.
force999 folds.
indrick05 folds.
TomNY123 folds.
detached1 folds.
sloopjockey calls [300].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Jc, 2d ]
sloopjockey checks.
konahead checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
force999: A5 NUTS
sloopjockey bets [800].
konahead raises [1600].
sloopjockey raises [3000].
konahead ?????? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 12:30pm Post subject: read |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 78
WPP: 69
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i guess depends on your read - sorry i know that answer sucks but
i would lean towards folding with the second J on the board. I would usually only make this push if i had a good read that the guy was bluffing.
hmm yeah i dont know, his smallish bet on the turn Jack and then coming over the top kinda smells like a bluff/steal but all the same unless i had a really good read i would fold. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 1:15pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 293
WPP: 77
Location: Reading, ma
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If he had a J, woudn't he have bet out on that flop? I would lean more to a possible set. Typical call of a pre-flop raise w/ a small pair.
But, reads are important on determining this. What do you think he thinks of you as a player? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 1:27pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Posts: 945
WPP: 90
Location: san fernando valley
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| again, this was the 2nd hand at this table - I had just moved there... |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 1:36pm Post subject: |
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Season III
Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 1758
WPP: 109
Location: Kalamazoo
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| ZenOffsuit wrote: | If he had a J, woudn't he have bet out on that flop? I would lean more to a possible set. Typical call of a pre-flop raise w/ a small pair.
But, reads are important on determining this. What do you think he thinks of you as a player? |
He might have been waiting to check raise. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Dec 2005, 2:49pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 293
WPP: 77
Location: Reading, ma
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Yes, but with what? Lets say he called w/ A/J or K/Js
He isn't going to wait to check raise that flop is he? That is why I dont think he is holding a Jack but probably flopped a set....
What do you think he may hold that he would check raise here? |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Dec 2005, 8:39pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6411
WPP: 65
Location: Somewhere in middle america
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slow playing second hand of the table... gets you here. WIth you checking the flop he may think ANY PP is good.
Your play is designed to make him think he has the best hand. He thinks it. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Dec 2005, 9:43pm Post subject: |
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Strike 3
Joined: 15 Apr 2004
Posts: 2223
WPP: 4
Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 5:06pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 01 Jul 2005
Posts: 350
WPP: 594
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Ok....this info needs to start being included in all hand history posts....and yes is does matter.
Site? (By the HH i can tell this is party)
Buyin? (This info is needed.)
Type of tourney? (Obviously a FO this time by the stack sizes)
Tourney Start Time (EST)? (By the time on the hand I'm guessing this was a Noon tourney.)
Believe it or not i can't even respond with any ideas without this info.
I'll say more when I know the buyin level, but already I can say....giving free turn cards when you didn't improve (No set) on the flop is -EV. Bet the flop for info. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 6:07pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 2562
WPP: 121
Location: motorboating
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| Kone you gotta bet the flop. Don't slow play AA. If you take it down on the flop that's cool. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 7:11pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 07 Jul 2004
Posts: 3280
WPP: 120
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He has a mid pocket pair that he feels has turned to gold since the board paired, giving you less chance of holding the jack.
Therefore, I push and hope for a call. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:16am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Apr 2005
Posts: 949
WPP: 56
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| What's up with all the minimum bets/raises? |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 9:27am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 389
WPP: 69
Location: Carey, Ohio
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| That's what minraising preflop will do. You leave him open to any pocket pair. He doesn't have a Jack, or he would've bet the flop. Why did you check behind him?! That killed it, you showed weakness, he picked up on it. Bet harder preflop, and hard on flop. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 9:41am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7550
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Im covering rippys line
He bets if he has the jack, he cant expect you to have hit that. Being check raises while holding the jack isnt so bad as it looks. Id have bet here anyway on the flop. Id have cold called the turn and called the river providing it wasnt a daft amount. I think this is far too aggressive to be a jack. Opp puts you on nothing and therefore thinks he can buy it so long as he has something on the flop. Cold calling the turn gives him something to think about if he doesnt have the jack. Then he has to make a choice oop how he plays the river. A very tough choice |
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