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Posted: Tue, 27 Dec 2005, 7:04pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7722
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Ive never had a royal yet over 20 straight flushes, and never been paid once
Rigged my arse.
The math might, in a pink and purple moon be able to support a rigged theory (and even then its less than sketchy eveidence) reality, on the other hand does not |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Dec 2005, 7:19pm Post subject: Re: Yes PP is Fixed. Here's How and Why
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Full House
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 797
WPP: 161
Location: Grindin'
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ANyone see that episode of Family Guy where Peters like "I am sure somone has had a wrose day" or something, and it flashes to Hiroshama 1945 and this Japenese guy is getting into his car and hears a whistling and looks up and says "Ohh my god" and then a baboon falls outa the sky and beats him up.
that lol and pokerdude lol are equal
Thanks for the laugh pokerdude
ps. The CIA killed JFK |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Dec 2005, 8:08pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 3007
WPP: 93
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| ShadySully wrote: |
Funny how so many people complain about PP being rigged but the complaints about other sites don't seem as common. |
See this is your logic. It is the same argument as why you think party is rigged when someone gets KK at the same time someone gets AA.
Party has the biggest player base of all the sites. For a long time it (+skins) had a HUGE amount more players than the other sites. This causes 2 things to happen.
1) The number of people who complain about the site being rigged increases.
2) The number of people who do not complain about the site being rigged increases.
Do You See Why?
The number of people who complain about the site are also more vocal than the number of people (like me) who don't believe it is rigged and don't really care about the whole discussion until they see a post containing such horribly flawed logic that it offends them and they feel compelled to reply.
In the same way you see more hands and remember the ones that are "unusual" (i.e. some connection between the cards) and forget most of the hands when you are delt AA UTG, raise to 3BB and everyone folds. |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Dec 2005, 8:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3412
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Location: over there
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OMG I just made 3k$ playing online poker!!
Is PP rigged in my favour!!???! |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Dec 2005, 8:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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Location: over there
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| ilikeaces86 wrote: | | This happened about 2 weeks ago. I get dealt guy raises 4xbb on the nl50 I call. Flop J 3 6......Guy raises 8 I reraise to 16 he goes al in for like 25 more ....I call turn 8 river 8 he flips over his cards and has pocker 8s. Is this really possible in real life???? |
BTW aces is this a serious post or a joke?
Can you feel the irony kicking you in the face! LOL |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Dec 2005, 3:32am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 01 Jul 2005
Posts: 350
WPP: 594
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | Actually, any of you pros out there who do not believe this, test it:
1. Create a new account using a different name and address so that you cannot be linked to any existing account...you're a new fish as far as PP is concerned. |
Ok step 1 complete, i've done it twice now in a month.
| PokerDudeMan wrote: | | 2. Play (for real money, not play money...play money is not rigged) very badly...establish a track record of irresponsible betting...and continue for about 4 or 5 weeks. |
Ok, I did. I played $50+5 SNGs like a moron for 2 weeks and lost $2500.
| PokerDudeMan wrote: | | 3. Then watch as your bad beats gradually become worse and more frequent. Keep track of everything dealth that you can see, and then compute the odds as time goes on. You'll start to notice that the odds of the bad beats that happened--and especially the way that they happened--the way that you were led by what was dealt--begin to exceed the expected odds for such unusual occurrences. |
Hmmm...let me load my PokerTracker stats....well....AA wins as much as it should, so does KK, wait, so do QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ, etc. Hmmm...funny everything is going exactly with the odds....wow...your point isn't holding.
| PokerDudeMan wrote: | | That's the only way I'll believe someone who tells me it's not rigged. Because if you think it's not rigged, then you're one of the professionals I was referring to that is NOT being messed with by Party Poker. |
You see....PokerDudeMan....you are bypassing the real problem here by claiming Party messes with inexperienced poker players. The real problem with inexperienced poker players like you....is that YOU SUCK! YOU ARE A LOSING HORRIBLE FISH! I take your money on a daily basis. I lost a bunch of money playing horrible when I opened my new account. Since then I fixed my leaks and i've won $5500 in profit on Party this month, (not to mention a total of $17k on all sites). Stop blaiming the site and realize that you just suck, period. Party Poker is a cash gold-mine because of fish like you. If you can't get it through your fish head (or breathe it through your gills for that matter), go to http://pokersafety.blogspot.com and cry as each and every one of your stupid points are crushed. Wait....i'm sorry...i'm being mean...you're a great player....please deposit $10k and come play the $109 MTTs....it'll be fun....I PROMISE |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Dec 2005, 10:38am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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Chop, you sound like a pro, and I was looking for a pro's word. Ok, I'll have to take back just about everything I said above about PP.
Except maybe for the bot theory...I still wonder if they could something like that off--just to skim a little extra from the top--without getting caught. (Or who knows, maybe unknown to the owners, the developers planted something. All unsubstantiated paranoia--I admit.)
But as far as maniuplating the deal, I'll have to take that back. For those I've offended, you can just write that off to an angry fish who was experiencing extreme discontent over his loss and didn't wanna admit he was playin' like a fish.
PDM |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Dec 2005, 3:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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| Just kidding, it is rigged. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Dec 2005, 5:35pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 831
WPP: 102
Location: Yo Mamma
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Bearcat:
The first kitten was obviously suffering from looking at your avatar too long. That cat's eyes no longer even track together. Then, in part due to it's weekened state, he died due to pokerdude's post.
So you can't blame PokerDude entirely. 
EasyT |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Dec 2005, 5:37pm Post subject:
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Solicitor
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Posts: 336
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| ok, but the second kitten was all PokerDude's fault. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Dec 2005, 5:32pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 1:40pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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| Oboy, this is going to be a long post, but I need to get it out of my system, I absolutely dont think Party is rigged, they make many millions of dollars every day on the rake alone, so why would they rig the tables? this is redicilous! they could not afford to do such a thing, if something like that came out they'll be out of buisness, and I dont think they are willing take that risk, they are also the biggest pokersite in the world! a crummy newcomer site might do something like this, and they are the only one's with a reason to, it has happend before, but not a site big as party, I play there my self with a great profit and I have nothing bad to say about them, I have been reading this many times, the truth is, party is not rigged at all, but I can agree it might seem like it is many times when people keeps drawing out on your pocket aces, but lets face it, those thing happends in poker wether we like it or not, every time the table comes paired and with a possible flushdraw and maybe a possible straight draw, at the same time, people are screaming! THIS MUST BE RIGGED! but thats not true! these things happends in poker, I want you to test this- take a real deck of cards and deal it out on your table at home , then you'll se, the same thing happends? its, "rigged" the same way with both a flush and straight draws as it is on Party Poker, if people are drawing out on you, all the time, then it's not the pokersites fault, if you! for example are going to the river with AA with a possible flush on board and you still raising the guy who keeps betting in to you, maybe you think your aces are unbeatable, then your own bad play is causing this, then you gotto learn to read the players and learn when to fold, practise more, read more Poker Books |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 2:59pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 07 Jul 2004
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| maxbetty wrote: | | Oboy, this is going to be a long post, but I need to get it out of my system, I absolutely dont think Party is rigged, they make many millions of dollars every day on the rake alone, so why would they rig the tables? this is redicilous! they could not afford to do such a thing, if something like that came out they'll be out of buisness, and I dont think they are willing take that risk, they are also the biggest pokersite in the world! a crummy newcomer site might do something like this, and they are the only one's with a reason to, it has happend before, but not a site big as party, I play there my self with a great profit and I have nothing bad to say about them, I have been reading this many times, the truth is, party is not rigged at all, but I can agree it might seem like it is many times when people keeps drawing out on your pocket aces, but lets face it, those thing happends in poker wether we like it or not, every time the table comes paired and with a possible flushdraw and maybe a possible straight draw, at the same time, people are screaming! THIS MUST BE RIGGED! but thats not true! these things happends in poker, I want you to test this- take a real deck of cards and deal it out on your table at home , then you'll se, the same thing happends? its, "rigged" the same way with both a flush and straight draws as it is on Party Poker, if people are drawing out on you, all the time, then it's not the pokersites fault, if you! for example are going to the river with AA with a possible flush on board and you still raising the guy who keeps betting in to you, maybe you think your aces are unbeatable, then your own bad play is causing this, then you gotto learn to read the players and learn when to fold, practise more, read more Poker Books |
Absolutely well said.
Welcome to FTR, maxbetty. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 5:34pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7722
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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they have props ffs!
is this bullshit still here?
will somone lock it? |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 6:03pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 8077
WPP: 68
Location: This room is a good place to be
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| As a representative of Party Poker I have decided that this thread is too dangerous and will be deleted when I get the time. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 8:45pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7722
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| a500lbgorilla wrote: | | As a representative of Party Poker I have decided that this thread is too dangerous and will be deleted when I get the time. | well you're already damn late fish! |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Dec 2005, 9:45pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 947
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| party poke risn't rigged but i'm pretty sure it is plotting to take over the world. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 1:51pm Post subject: What's the danger?
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High Card
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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a500lbgorilla,
"Dangerous" how? |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 1:57pm Post subject: Re: What's the danger?
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3412
WPP: 71
Location: over there
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | a500lbgorilla,
"Dangerous" how? |
Incase the masses find out that it actually is rigged, which it is as you know. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:38pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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| Makes ya wonder. |
Last edited by PokerDudeMan on Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:52pm; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 2:41pm Post subject:
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Solicitor
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Posts: 336
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | Yep, exactly.
Here's an update to the bot theory: any online site can pull this off without getting caught, and can easily fool all of us (including the experienced players, who will tend to write loss off as bad beats vs. there being a fix):
1. You have 5 players to start with. All replenish their online poker accounts with $100. The poker site has now made $500 (this obviously does not include future payouts).
2. The first 4 lose to the 5th, and thus replenish their accounts for another $100. The poker site has now made $900. (NOTE: The 5th hasn't cashed in because...well...he's an online poker player and doesn't do that unless he's cashing in a few grand at a time.)
3. In the next game, the 5th loses everything, and one of the other 4 players wins everyone else's cash. Again, 4 more replenish their accounts for $100, except for the one who won. The poker site has now made $1300, yet hasn't paid anyone yet.
4. In the next game, now the previous winner loses, and one of the other losers wins from everyone.
... as you can see, if this pattern continues...no one will ever have to be paid by the online poker site.
It would be so very easy for a poker site to deal you the cards in a way where you lose bad beat after bad beat (and by the way, that's where the odds don't match up to reality; the bad beats that occur exceed the normal odds for those types of bad beats occurring) , but to do it at a time that fits into the above scenario. To do it in a way where you win some of the time (these are the times when you're the winner that I described above that's taking everyone else's cash), but lose the rest and are thus forced (because of your gambling addiction) to replenish your online account.
Again, how do they do it? How do they make you lose? By dealing the cards in a way where the odds say you should have the best hand, yet you get beaten on a bad beat after betting high. The poker site knew that you'd bet high based on your deal and the community cards...then you did, and you lost. And more similar bad beat multiple times in that same game. Defying any odds you'd could reasonably call "normal."
Think about that for a bit. |
he was kidding.... at thanks for another dead cat....
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 3:05pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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On a completely separate side note: has anybody investigated beatcat? We might have a Kitty serial killer on hand here.
PDM |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Jan 2006, 3:14pm Post subject:
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Solicitor
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Posts: 336
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| PokerDudeMan wrote: | On a completely separate side note: has anybody investigated beatcat? We might have a Kitty serial killer on hand here.
PDM |
when they see your stupid post about bots and Party Poker being rigged they commit suicide |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Jan 2006, 3:08pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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| wow I was really THIS lame? |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Jan 2006, 3:31pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920
WPP: 120
Location: St. Louis
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| The only thing more amusing than people complaining about a poker site being rigged is all the people that insist on proving to them that it's not. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Jan 2006, 11:16pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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| DaNutsInYoEye wrote: | | The only thing more amusing than people complaining about a poker site being rigged is all the people that insist on proving to them that it's not. |
Damn Nuts, you took the wind out of my sails with that one. I do apologize for bumping this thread again, but I think I have something interesting and amusing and reasonable and NEW to say that will show how insane it is to think online poker is rigged. So disregard this post unless you're new and are harboring crackpot theories.
The other day I was dealt two mid PP's, 77 and 88. You best hope is a set in this situation. Well, both times times I flopped a quad. I believe the flops were 774 and 882. No overcard, no "rigged" card. And it was tough to get a fish to bite on these. It was squeezing blood from a turnip.
So, for each "rigged setup" that is claimed to get chips in the middle, here are two that did the exact opposite, thus negating the "rigged" profits. Flopping a set would have caused more action, an over card would have caused more action, even four to a flush would've caused more action. Stupid online poker for not taking advantage of their awesome rigging power.
And yesterday, I limped from BB K3o I believe, three seeing the flop. A K and a 3 flop. This alone wouldve been enough to seal the pot. But the turn was 3, and the river was, guess what, another 3! The only reason THIS pot was huge was because the player limped AK and gave no thought to what I could've POSSIBLY been betting on. A fishy play. And two out of the three these times I made the joke, something like, damn, I don't need a quad to win, can't these cards be spaced out over a couple hands? If they were, that would certainly cause more action, it would be a fine rigging maneuver.
What the conspiracy theorists fail to see is that these flops, full house flops, quad flops, flush flops, don't create more action but detract from it. The only reason it LOOKS like the opposite is that players are foolishly betting into these boards.
Say I see the flop with KQh and the flop is A53h. The fishy fish who is seeing it with A3o (cuz Axo is a MONSTER holding) starts betting like crazy, probably never entertaing the idea that somebody else could POSSIBLY be holding two hearts, or at the very least a flush draw. And when the A's and 3's get taken down, rigged!
If the online poker were rigged, you'd never see this, a player would any experience might slow way down seeing a board like this, and these flops are not the ones that generate the most action.
I don't need to reiterate all the stuff about odds, and how any combination is possible, and with enough hands all possible permutations will be seen, so that is all. I hope this was moderately helpful to somebody. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Jan 2006, 11:44pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 5251
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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Yep, Party Poker is definitely fixed. : )
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