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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:22pm Post subject: I'll never drown, I'm safe in this bubble. |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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CARDSON Well, I did it again... Went out in the friggin bubble. I can pretty much find the 2 hands that did this to me. I am too close to this to see if I did wrong, I'll leave it up to all of you.
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PokerStars Game #649945190: Tournament #2493818, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2004/08/28 - 21:36:10 (ET)
Table '2493818 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: resng (1085 in chips)
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi (1875 in chips)
Seat 3: Humphrind (4025 in chips)
Seat 4: 3M TAE (4475 in chips)
Seat 8: nonobadcat (2040 in chips)
3M TAE: posts small blind 75
nonobadcat: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Humphrind [Qh Qc]
resng: calls 150
Mongerlkoi: raises 150 to 300
Humphrind: raises 300 to 600
3M TAE: folds
nonobadcat: folds
resng: raises 485 to 1085 and is all-in
Mongerlkoi: calls 785
Humphrind: raises 485 to 1570
Mongerlkoi: calls 485
*** FLOP *** [Th 5h 7d]
Mongerlkoi: checks
Humphrind: bets 305
Mongerlkoi: calls 305 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Th 5h 7d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Th 5h 7d 8s] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mongerlkoi: shows [Ad Qd] (a pair of Aces)
Humphrind: shows [Qh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
Mongerlkoi collected 1580 from side pot
resng: shows [Ah 6d] (a pair of Aces - lower kicker)
Mongerlkoi collected 3480 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5060 Main pot 3480. Side pot 1580. | Rake 0
Board [Th 5h 7d 8s Ac]
Seat 1: resng showed [Ah 6d] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi showed [Ad Qd] and won (5060) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Humphrind (button) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: 3M TAE (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nonobadcat (big blind) folded before Flop
Both of these guys had been playing ANYTHING! My read told me 1 had an underpair, the other had an overcard (KJ, AT, etc) Mongerloi lost half his stack earlier by calling an all-in with J3o?!?! I thought I was putting Mongerlkoi all in pre-flop with my raise, I didn't quite do it, but I still got my chips in when I had the best of it. F'N RIVER!!!! 
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PokerStars Game #649951519: Tournament #2493818, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2004/08/28 - 21:39:06 (ET)
Table '2493818 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi (5810 in chips)
Seat 3: Humphrind (2375 in chips)
Seat 4: 3M TAE (3950 in chips)
Seat 8: nonobadcat (1365 in chips)
3M TAE: posts small blind 75
nonobadcat: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Humphrind [Ad Qd]
Mongerlkoi: calls 150
Humphrind: raises 450 to 600
3M TAE: folds
nonobadcat: folds
Mongerlkoi: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [9s Ah Jh]
Mongerlkoi: checks
Humphrind: bets 900
Mongerlkoi: calls 900
*** TURN *** [9s Ah Jh] [Th]
Mongerlkoi: bets 1050
Humphrind: folds
Mongerlkoi collected 3225 from pot
Mongerlkoi: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3225 | Rake 0
Board [9s Ah Jh Th]
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi collected (3225)
Seat 3: Humphrind (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: 3M TAE (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nonobadcat (big blind) folded before Flop
I hated to fold this, but I was so sure he caught his flush. In hindsight, maybe his overbet signaled he didn't make his flush. I don't know. I'm still a little sick over folding this. I remember telling myself, "If you are sure you ar beat, why can't you lay it down?" I was just so scared of going out in 4th, but folding put me in the spot to go out in 4th anyway. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:30pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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Ouch! I don't know man, looks well played to me.
I think you need to deposit some more money and move up a level or so, to play against some more predictable, less fishy players.
Maybe Monger isn't so bad, but that Resng guy is a complete moron. Only takes one hand to see that. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:30pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 411
WPP: 200
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| In the second example that's a good laydown IMO. He could have made a flush. He could have made the broadway Str8. He could have made 2 pair. I'd bet near anything that he made something better than your top pair with that turn card. I think it's a good fold. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Aug 2004, 9:26am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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| michael1123 wrote: | | Maybe Monger isn't so bad | I had no reason to think that Monger was any good. This is earlier from the same tourney.
PokerStars Game #649912659: Tournament #2493818, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2004/08/28 - 21:21:19 (ET)
Table '2493818 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: resng (1055 in chips)
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi (2330 in chips)
Seat 3: Humphrind (3450 in chips)
Seat 4: 3M TAE (2615 in chips)
Seat 5: Peyoo (1310 in chips)
Seat 8: nonobadcat (2740 in chips)
Mongerlkoi: posts small blind 25
Humphrind: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Humphrind [3h 2c]
3M TAE: calls 50
Peyoo: folds
nonobadcat: calls 50
resng: raises 1005 to 1055 and is all-in
Mongerlkoi: calls 1030
Humphrind: folds
3M TAE: folds
nonobadcat: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 7h Qh]
*** TURN *** [5c 7h Qh] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [5c 7h Qh 6s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mongerlkoi: shows [3c Js] (a pair of Jacks)
resng: shows [5h 5d] (three of a kind, Fives)
resng collected 2260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2260 | Rake 0
Board [5c 7h Qh 6s Jh]
Seat 1: resng (button) showed [5h 5d] and won (2260) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: Mongerlkoi (small blind) showed [3c Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: Humphrind (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 3M TAE folded before Flop
Seat 5: Peyoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: nonobadcat folded before Flop |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Aug 2004, 12:36pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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Posted: Mon, 30 Aug 2004, 7:34am Post subject: Re: I'll never drown, I'm safe in this bubble. |
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Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 313
WPP: 124
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| Humphrind wrote: |
I hated to fold this, but I was so sure he caught his flush. In hindsight, maybe his overbet signaled he didn't make his flush. I don't know. I'm still a little sick over folding this. I remember telling myself, "If you are sure you ar beat, why can't you lay it down?" I was just so scared of going out in 4th, but folding put me in the spot to go out in 4th anyway. |
It looks like opp put you to the test b/c the raise was for all of your chips. It would be 50/50 for me to lay it down since you already threw 1/2 of your chips in there anyways and folding would put you around 1k. You might have 4-rounds left and need to catch a few double-ups. Maybe the only thing I would do differently is go allin on the flop (especially with strong draws out there). Knowing I had the best hand, I would rather take the pot now and force opp to call and play now with their draw. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Aug 2004, 8:13am Post subject: Re: I'll never drown, I'm safe in this bubble. |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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| Krapp wrote: | | It would be 50/50 for me to lay it down since you already threw 1/2 of your chips in there anyways and folding would put you around 1k. | It was a question of going out in the bubble. The value of calling / folding comes down to this hand. I will make $0 by losing. But before I decide to call, I need to know if I have the best of it. As Dr NoChance said, there are too many things out there that could beat me, a made straight, made flush, straight draw, flush draw, 2 pair, etc. I needed to know if I had enough chips to play with if I folded. Yes, I barely did. I decided that too much was at risk to play this coin flip. | Krapp wrote: | | I would rather take the pot now and force opp to call and play now with their draw. | Did you see the other hands this guy played? And don't forget he has a big stack now. If he's not folding to a 900 raise, he not folding to an all-in raise. |
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