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Posted: Tue, 04 Oct 2005, 9:29pm Post subject: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Strike 3
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 263
WPP: 176
Location: SITTING ON 'RILLA'S FINGER
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I was having a great day until this happened. Does this qualify as a badbeat, or did I just not bet enough? konstantin2 had been raising every pot he entered, regardless of position, and had been making plays similar to this where he would raise the hand with suited connectors from first position. The possibility of a straight did occur to me when he bet on the turn, but at the time I thought he was betting his draw to see the river cheaply. Should I be kicking myself for not betting more on the flop, or re-raising more pre-flop?
***** Hand History for Game 2825025822 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 04, 17:52:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 54894 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: SafeAnSry ( $1616.25 )
Seat 3: seansafehand ( $721.75 )
Seat 5: Shylock82 ( $1000 )
Seat 1: PO$$E$$ED ( $3126 )
Seat 6: konstantin2 ( $1074.07 )
Seat 4: aquifex2 ( $1247 )
aquifex2 posts small blind [$5].
Shylock82 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ Kh Kd ]
konstantin2 raises [$40].
PO$$E$$ED raises [$109].
SafeAnSry folds.
seansafehand folds.
aquifex2 folds.
Shylock82 folds.
konstantin2 calls [$69].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 6c, 4s ]
konstantin2 checks.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$99].
konstantin2 calls [$99].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
konstantin2 bets [$150].
PO$$E$$ED is all-In.
konstantin2 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
konstantin2 shows [ 7h, 8h ] a straight, four to eight.
PO$$E$$ED shows [ Kh, Kd ] three of a kind, kings.
PO$$E$$ED wins $2051.93 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
konstantin2 wins $2160.14 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.  |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Oct 2005, 4:02am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2519
WPP: 92
Location: Arlington, VA
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| That's a pretty bad beat. You had him owned. |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Oct 2005, 5:27pm Post subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 947
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| PO$$E$$ED wrote: | I was having a great day until this happened. Does this qualify as a badbeat, or did I just not bet enough? konstantin2 had been raising every pot he entered, regardless of position, and had been making plays similar to this where he would raise the hand with suited connectors from first position. The possibility of a straight did occur to me when he bet on the turn, but at the time I thought he was betting his draw to see the river cheaply. Should I be kicking myself for not betting more on the flop, or re-raising more pre-flop?
***** Hand History for Game 2825025822 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 04, 17:52:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 54894 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: SafeAnSry ( $1616.25 )
Seat 3: seansafehand ( $721.75 )
Seat 5: Shylock82 ( $1000 )
Seat 1: PO$$E$$ED ( $3126 )
Seat 6: konstantin2 ( $1074.07 )
Seat 4: aquifex2 ( $1247 )
aquifex2 posts small blind [$5].
Shylock82 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ Kh Kd ]
konstantin2 raises [$40].
PO$$E$$ED raises [$109].
SafeAnSry folds.
seansafehand folds.
aquifex2 folds.
Shylock82 folds.
konstantin2 calls [$69].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 6c, 4s ]
konstantin2 checks.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$99].
konstantin2 calls [$99].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
konstantin2 bets [$150].
PO$$E$$ED is all-In.
konstantin2 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
konstantin2 shows [ 7h, 8h ] a straight, four to eight.
PO$$E$$ED shows [ Kh, Kd ] three of a kind, kings.
PO$$E$$ED wins $2051.93 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
konstantin2 wins $2160.14 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight. |
Yes it is a "bad beat" but you did put in 208 in while you were ahead and like 900 in while you were behind. Just something to consider. |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Oct 2005, 5:37pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920
WPP: 120
Location: St. Louis
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| I'll never understand the cute bet amounts... |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Oct 2005, 6:46pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 622
WPP: 103
Location: Brighton, UK
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How is it a bad beat? The op raised AI with the nuts which got called.
His raise looks like a huge overbet to me... but the board shows 456 which could indicate he has a straight or 2pair, maybe he's pushing on the flush draw or even FD + overcard. god knows, I play low stakes  |
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Posted: Thu, 06 Oct 2005, 11:03am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 622
WPP: 103
Location: Brighton, UK
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How is it a bad beat? The op raised AI with the nuts which got called.
His raise looks like a huge overbet to me... but the board shows 456 which could indicate he has a straight or 2pair, maybe he's pushing on the flush draw or even FD + overcard. god knows, I play low stakes |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Oct 2005, 3:11pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 812
WPP: 92
Location: Gamblers Anonymous
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| SinkRox wrote: | How is it a bad beat? The op raised AI with the nuts which got called.
His raise looks like a huge overbet to me... but the board shows 456 which could indicate he has a straight or 2pair, maybe he's pushing on the flush draw or even FD + overcard. god knows, I play low stakes |
Situational bad beat. He played it well, the only conciveable hand that beats him here is 7-8. (i know 2-3 and 3-7 do to but that is very unlikely. |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Oct 2005, 3:28pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 579
WPP: 51
Location: Southern california
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| Nothing you can do about a guy raising UTG and calling raises with suited connectors. Then calling raises on the flop with an insider. Over the long run you will be making money of these guys. |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Oct 2005, 8:16pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 1602
WPP: 105
Location: Party 6 max
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the flop bet was horrible.
You are betting less than half the pot. This allows for just about any hand to try to suck out. (specifically, a flush draw)
the turn push was horrible.
What possible hand can he have that calls your push? |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Oct 2005, 4:49am Post subject: |
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Strike 3
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 263
WPP: 176
Location: SITTING ON 'RILLA'S FINGER
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OK I can see where you're coming from Demi, but keep in mind 7-8 was the only conceivable hand he could have been holding that my 3 kings wouldn't have been beating. He would have called my push with: pocket 4s, 5s, 6s, 4-5, 5-6, and straight/ flush draw.
I agree that my line was weak, and that I should have bet more preflop/ flop,
but then again I have a feeling villain would've called me down just the same. Live and learn |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Oct 2005, 11:55pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
Posts: 647
WPP: 126
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question about dealing with these types of players... or actually thoughts. I think re-raising large preflop with any 2 at times when u have position on them is a profitable play. I have been doing it to aggressive players at 400 nl and almost always insta-fold, no one has ever played back at me yet, and only a few have seen a flop but folded on it. U don't really need to wait for KK to beat this guy imo. just take control of him.
anyone think this is a bad idea / or have better ideas on dealing with overly aggressive players preflop |
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