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Posted: Fri, 27 Aug 2004, 6:13pm Post subject: Not happy with this play
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High Card
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 151
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Playing a little $5 MTT today on PP and this hand put me out. I'm pretty sure I could have played it better:
***** Hand History for Game 886076137 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 5483731) - Fri Aug 27 18:07:36 EDT 2004
Table Multi-Table(61976) Table 51 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: lefty3747 (1450)
Seat 2: KIMMES (195)
Seat 3: buster11 (295)
Seat 4: fourreals (2520)
Seat 5: orornil (1990)
Seat 6: Yiango (1120)
Seat 7: Lazzbro (1820)
Seat 8: MrCrackHead (1125)
Seat 9: Mekias (1085)
Seat 10: Taylorfsu01 (1685)
MrCrackHead posts small blind (25)
Mekias posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mekias [ Jc, As ]
Taylorfsu01 folds.
lefty3747 folds.
KIMMES folds.
buster11 folds.
fourreals folds.
orornil folds.
Yiango folds.
Lazzbro raises (200) to 200
MrCrackHead folds.
Mekias raises (350) to 400
Lazzbro calls (200)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 3d, 6d ]
Mekias bets (300)
Lazzbro calls (300)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
Mekias bets (385)
Mekias is all-In.
Lazzbro calls (385)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
Creating Main Pot with $2195 with Mekias
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2195 |
Board: [ 7h 3d 6d 6h Qh ]
lefty3747 balance 1450, didn't bet (folded)
KIMMES balance 195, didn't bet (folded)
buster11 balance 295, didn't bet (folded)
fourreals balance 2520, didn't bet (folded)
orornil balance 1990, didn't bet (folded)
Yiango balance 1120, didn't bet (folded)
Lazzbro balance 2930, bet 1085, collected 2195, net +1110 [ Kh 8h ] [ a flush, king high -- Kh,Qh,8h,7h,6h ]
MrCrackHead balance 1100, lost 25 (folded)
Mekias balance 0, lost 1085 [ Jc As ] [ a pair of sixes -- As,Qh,Jc,6d,6h ]
Taylorfsu01 balance 1685, didn't bet (folded)
This guy bought my blinds last time around so with AJo I figured I had him. I probably should have reraised to $600 preflop but I thought I might be able to squeeze more money from him.
What I really should have done is bet more than $300 after the flop but I thought $300 would do it if the flop missed him. I guess it wasn't enough after all. Not sure what he was thinking. Dude had nothing and had just gotten reraised and bet at.
I had a good read on the guy but just didn't execute well I guess.
Any suggestions? |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Aug 2004, 6:56pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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WPP: 24
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| FOLD POST FLOP, ACE JACK IS A HORRIBLE HAND!!!!!!!! do NOT fish with nothing, even if the guy is a thief |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Aug 2004, 8:22pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Dont' re-raise pre-flop, or if you do then re-raise big. He's folding pre-flop to your raise, umm...... NEVER! This isn't a hand you want to dump a lot of chips with. Fail that, push on the flop. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 1:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| Yeah, you should either shove in preflop, call and fold on the flop, or fold preflop. As a short stack, you don't have other options. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 1:48am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Posts: 794
WPP: 208
Location: Los Angeles
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| All-in preflop is the only good move as the shortstack with AJ. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 3:29am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| michael1123 wrote: | | Yeah, you should either shove in preflop, call and fold on the flop, or fold preflop. As a short stack, you don't have other options. |
Calling pre-flop and pushing on the flop is a strong line here too. Good 'old stop n' go. I don't like the pre-flop push with AJo here, at best too thin of an edge when his stack is tall enough to have better options (including folding.) |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 6:40am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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The preflop push is designed to give the other player a chance to fold, and at worst isolate him. Short stack in an MTT or Sit and Go, and the player has been buying some pots, I'd definitely consider pushing with AJ. I'm not calling a large portion of my stack off and then folding if I don't hit.
If you're going to call and push no matter what hits, that works too. Basically the same thing, but you give them a chance to fold a good hand if it misses the flop. Likewise though, you give a weaker hand like the K8s a chance to hit the flop and call. I switch it up a bit between the two, as they both have their advantages.
Although looking back, he isn't really that short stacked. Its more of a good move with 10xBB or less. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:01am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 151
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Hmm, great ideas. I'm beginning to really like this board. 
Yeah, if I decided to play against that guy heads up I should have either pushed him harder or not played at all. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 10:20am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 813
WPP: 145
Location: Mount Holly, NC
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| Av8tor009 wrote: | | FOLD POST FLOP, ACE JACK IS A HORRIBLE HAND!!!!!!!! |
Can you elaborate on this statement. Granted, I am a newbie...but I would hardly call A-J horrible. Perhaps not strong with 10 players still at the table...but horrible? |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 5:04pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| DavSimon wrote: | | Can you elaborate on this statement. Granted, I am a newbie...but I would hardly call A-J horrible. Perhaps not strong with 10 players still at the table...but horrible? |
How about "Seductive little tramp that leaves you second best at showdown"? |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 6:17pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 411
WPP: 200
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| Fnord wrote: | | DavSimon wrote: | | Can you elaborate on this statement. Granted, I am a newbie...but I would hardly call A-J horrible. Perhaps not strong with 10 players still at the table...but horrible? |
How about "Seductive little tramp that leaves you second best at showdown"? |
You'll have to forgive Fnord. AJo screwed him once, never even bought him a drink first, and to top it all off didn't even call him the next morning.  |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 7:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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Haha. AJ isn't as bad as Fnord is suggesting, you just have to be very willing to lay it down to a reraise. It all comes with being able to read your opponents. If no one has opened in a tournament, in middle to late position, I play it for a raise every time.
If someone who raises a lot raises a rather small amount, 3x BB or less, I'm usually calling too. But I'm willing to lay it down if an ace hits and I think he has me out kicked. If a jack is the top card on the flop, and you have no reason to think he has an overpair, you're looking pretty good.
I think what he means is with that flop, its a horrible hand.
Now AT ... I really hate that hand. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:00pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 813
WPP: 145
Location: Mount Holly, NC
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| Good to know - Brad's free roll is starting in 1 minute. |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Aug 2004, 8:13pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 813
WPP: 145
Location: Mount Holly, NC
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My pocket kings just lost to pocket aces  |
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