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twosevoff
Post Posted: Thu, 29 Sep 2005, 5:52pm    Post subject: Push this? Reply with quote
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 29, 18:46:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 55002 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: MrNoblesse ( $94 )
Seat 2: raggedshirt ( $136.80 )
Seat 3: tsaberi ( $274.71 )
Seat 4: Cruiser157 ( $134.81 )
Seat 5: ZeeZee73 ( $100 )
Seat 6: luvspokah ( $111.07 )
raggedshirt posts small blind [$0.50].
tsaberi posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to luvspokah [ 6d 8s ]
Cruiser157 calls [$1].
ZeeZee73 calls [$1].
luvspokah raises [$5].
MrNoblesse folds.
raggedshirt folds.
tsaberi calls [$4].
Cruiser157 calls [$4].
ZeeZee73 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 2c, 4d ]
tsaberi checks.
Cruiser157 bets [$4].
luvspokah raises [$10].
tsaberi folds.
Cruiser157 calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
Cruiser157 checks.
luvspokah bets [$25].
Cruiser157 raises [$50].
luvspokah ....??????
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Muxy
Post Posted: Thu, 29 Sep 2005, 10:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hmmmmmm......

I would lay this down.

A set could be possible, gah i dont really see anything you are beating here maybe and overpair i am stumped cant wait to see what you did
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bencathers
Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 1:51am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Of course you call. QQ is like wtf mate?

conversation following:

cruiser157: NH fish
luvspokah: ty for the QQ smooth call pre-flop
cruiser157: shut up, i had you beat on the flop
luvspokah: yeah but on the turn. FISH FISH FISH
cruise157: QQ rules as an overpair I DONT CARE ABOUT THE BETTING QQ = TEH NUTS
luvspokah: you spelled "the" wrong and STFU i'm counting your chips to make sure its accurate
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 11:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Muxy wrote:
Hmmmmmm......

I would lay this down.

A set could be possible, gah i dont really see anything you are beating here maybe and overpair i am stumped cant wait to see what you did


Given hero's demonstrated agression from out of position, wouldn't a set push instead of minraise on the turn? of course there is no flush draw with the rainbow board, but there are tons of straight opportunities out there w/ four cards out all under 9.when i read through it before seeing the result, I was thinking the minraise meant something he could have possibly smooth called, like 99 or 1010. glad to see i was kinda right, but he deserves it for not raising QQ. nice job.
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twosevoff
Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 7:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Rest of the hand:

luvspokah is all-In.
Cruiser157 calls [$46.07].
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
Cruiser157 shows [ Qd, Ts ] high card queen.
luvspokah shows [ 6d, 8s ] two pairs, eights and sixes.
luvspokah wins $225.64 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and sixes.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well, I was close... he did have a queen... but of course, nice call
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 11:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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His hand screams overpair IMO.
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bencathers
Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 1:05am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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mxiu wrote:
His hand screams overpair IMO.


thats what i thought... and apparently it was just a bluff... we all rule at poker. so badly. MONEY COMES TO US FROM FISH
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 1:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would expect to be behind here very often. If I hadn't seen the results I would have guessed a weird, fishy straight or a set.

This all changes if you've been laggy for a while raising hands like 86o and feel that the opponents are playing back at you with small hands/air.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 1:38pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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SmackinYaUp wrote:
I would expect to be behind here very often. If I hadn't seen the results I would have guessed a weird, fishy straight or a set.

This all changes if you've been laggy for a while raising hands like 86o and feel that the opponents are playing back at you with small hands/air.


Atleast someone agrees with me
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Laeelin
Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 2:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Push it all in! Cool

This is 6-Max, many treat A6 as the nuts on that flop.

I'd call something like that all day.
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bencathers
Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 2:30pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Laeelin wrote:
Push it all in! Cool

This is 6-Max, many treat A6 as the nuts on that flop.

I'd call something like that all day.


Exactly. Especially with the check min-raise. Weak
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 6:20pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bencathers wrote:
Laeelin wrote:
Push it all in! Cool

This is 6-Max, many treat A6 as the nuts on that flop.

I'd call something like that all day.


Exactly. Especially with the check min-raise. Weak


Turn minraises scream monster to me and I'm usually right when I pay it off. A turn minraise here is just a minraise, but its a whopping $50. How often do you think people are going to bluff using a 50BB minraise?

I may have turned weak-tight but I don't like getting allin here. If you're the aggressor then fine, but since he just raised you you have to decide if its worth it.

Watch your games for flop check/calls followed by turn minraises. This almost always happens when you see the turn bring a flush card or when the checkraiser is holding a flopped hand.

I'm not saying to always fold to turn minraises though. Its all based on how you've read your opponent's hand. You can usually tell when someone is just getting sick of being pushed around. Experience is key in these situations.

However, from the information I have here, you are usually behind here.

BTW, what are your chances of filling up here? 4 outs? That might also be something to take into consideration depending on the size of the pot and raise.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 8:51pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just don't see it. He just limps in on the pre-flop and does a very weak flop bet.... trying to smooth call to set a terrible trap. His pre-flop and flop actions scream of JJ-QQ-10-10. I just don't see it. I don't see him behind when his pre-flop and flop actions are so weak.... and his bluff showed he was really behind and drawing dead on the turn
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 1:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lately i'm seeing lots of fake moves with absolutely nothing to show for it

I might raise, and another re-raises or even RE-reraises my flop bet with shit expecting me to fold.
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