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vqc
Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 12:36pm    Post subject: Please take the time to read this post. Reply with quote
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If it is folded to you these are the deciding factors for pushing

In order of importance
1) Your stack size
2) Number of players still in the tournament
3) Number of Players left to act
4) The other player's calling ranges
5) Your cards

If you have a question about push folding, please please dont look at the results and then ask based off of that.

Your question on push folding should be governed first by answering the questions above, and asking the forum if your answers to the questions above were the correct ones in the said situation.

For instance
Hand Number: 229,016,668
Table Number: 2,944,550
Event Name: Sit & Go Table Korshak (#2074209)SNHB
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level V: 100/200 Blinds (25 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 5,000 (1,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 2 (10 started)
Seat 5 : kcknockuout starts with 8,625
Seat 6 : thirteen starts with 1,375
Seat 5 : kcknockuout has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
thirteen dealt down Js As
kcknockuout posts the small blind 100
thirteen posts the big blind 200
kcknockuout calls 100
thirteen raises 1,175 to 1,375 and is all-in

1) You have less than 10xBB. What does this mean? It means that you are in push or fold mode and should generally only consider pushing or going all in.
2) You are heads up. What does this mean? It means that you should tend to be more aggressive
3) It is headsup so there is only one more person that has cards. What does this mean? It means that you only have to worry about one person!
4) What is his calling range? Is he super tight? Is he super loose? Is he rilla?
5)You have AJ in this sitation. What does this mean?

After answering these quetions you can come up with a suitable answer for the pushing situation. Lets say in this situation you say " I can push" becuase of 1 2 3 4 and 5.

What if after you answer the 5 quetions you cant come up with a good conclusion on whether or not to push, then you ask the forum. By aswering these questions first, it makes you think about the process as opposed to just memmorizing, Push this, fold that, fuck this, fuck that.

I hope this post makes some sense.


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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 12:51pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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payout structure counts too! doesn't really apply in your example, but it usually does.
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vqc
Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 12:52pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i assumed everyone played 50 30 20, but yes its different for multitable SNGs. It goes somehwere on that list, but, as to where, I dont know.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 2:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's a part of #2.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Down almost 7-1 I'm pushing literally any two cards.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:07pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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heres a hint
depending on the size of hte blinds, you should be pushing any 2 regardless.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:15pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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"READ THIS POST"

Im just posting to say that I haven't read this post becuase of the title.

Maybe if you said "You should highly consider reading this post." or "Would you please do yourself a favor and read this post?" I woulda read it.

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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:30pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ill change the title

do u agree with what I said?
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 8:42pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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vqchuang (TheGrindHer) wrote:
ill change the title

do u agree with what I said?


Number 2 should really be number 5.

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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Sep 2005, 10:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You mean to say you don't consider # of players left in tourney much? Thought you were a big fan of bubble agression...
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 7:32am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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CrunchyNuts wrote:
You mean to say you don't consider # of players left in tourney much? Thought you were a big fan of bubble agression...


Bleh, the whole list is gay. They all run so close in consideration that I've never assigned value to them.

It's like IF it's the bubble, and you're stack is 10 bets, and there are 3 players left, and they call with xx+, Then you can push with this.

I don't think there is an order of importance.

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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 12:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The lower your stack size, the less important the rest of the factors are.

The fewer people there are after you, the more you can get away with, the less mistakes you can make based on calling ranges.

I think theres a difference...
but o well.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 1:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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vqchuang (TheGrindHer) wrote:
The lower your stack size, the less important the rest of the factors are.

The fewer people there are after you, the more you can get away with, the less mistakes you can make based on calling ranges.

I think theres a difference...
but o well.


Well, not one I've taken the time to think about.

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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 4:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i agree with rilla, they all kind of go together, i don't think they should be put into some certain order. another thing you forgot to mention is the stack size of your opponents is important too
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 8:32am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Other factors:

Blind size
Your table image
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 8:37am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Stack size is blind size.

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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 8:48am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quote:
Stack size is blind size


VQ Wrote "Your stack size ". If you have a stack of 2000 chips your behaviour is different if the blinds are 15/30 or 200/400.
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 8:54am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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TLR wrote:
Quote:
Stack size is blind size


VQ Wrote "Your stack size ". If you have a stack of 2000 chips your behaviour is different if the blinds are 15/30 or 200/400.


By "Your stack size" he meant 5bb, 15bb, 25bb... ect.

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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 9:12am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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how many bb?
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 9:49am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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gabe wrote:

how many bb?
Clearly 30+. And the syrup and butter mean you are holding Cowboys.
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Post Posted: Sun, 02 Oct 2005, 1:28pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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the foundation of the pancakes tends toward showing that you are beginning to TILT.
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