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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 10:43am Post subject: Is this a legal strat to place "ITM" at tournies? |
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One Pair
Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 19
WPP: 171
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I've been spectating real money tournaments lately.
Namely on pokerroom.com, I watched a random NL tournament.
Eventually it got down to 2 tables, and some guy with a respectable chip stack (he wasn't the leader, but he was hardly short stacked) just went afk.
Now, at pokerroom.com I guess in tournaments you can your status to "away". Meaning, you can go AFK/not pay attention and get auto-checked/folded when it's your turn. You still have to pay the blinds of course, since you're considered in the game.
This guy just sat there, not doing anything, while everyone eliminated themselves left after right. A lot of people were complaining but they couldn't really do anything about it. Before you know it, it's down to 1 table. He puts himself on away and ends up taking 5th place (blinds ate him alive).
I guess if you're looking to win a tournament, you'll love this guy since he doesn't pose a threat, but if you're looking to just get in the money, this guy becomes an issue.
Have you guys experienced this kind of play at pokerstars.com or any other places? |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 10:55am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 411
WPP: 200
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I've seen it before, and I personally love it when it happens. I think it's a very stupid thing for a big stack to do. When you have a big stack, you should be using it as a weapon, pushing others around who are just trying to limp into the money. Why be content with just placing when you could all but lock up 1st-2nd place with further solid play? I especially love it when somebody to the direct left or 2 spots left of me does this. I can now steal their blinds all day long with no risk. I had this happen a few nights ago and it practically won the tourney for me. The other guy? He came in second, and came back to the game when it got down to just three. When it was four handed I stole his blind nearly every time.
It's a silly strategy really, so don't sweat it when you see somebody do this. Use it to your advantage if at all possible, and just be grateful that his big stack won't be pushing you around. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 11:06am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
WPP: 94
Location: Carlsbad, CA
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what the doctor said...
plus, it isn't unusual for their to be an unspoken (or spoken) understanding among the other players that they'll take turns stealing the away players blinds.
so, you may sit out thinking you'll wait out everyone else, while they're really out waiting you. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 11:19am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
Posts: 553
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Location: Sizzler
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| This is very common. I see it a lot at stars!!! |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 11:19am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
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Location: Kansas City
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1945
It is totally legal to "post and fold" or "sit out" and in some crazy tournaments, you may even be able to get in the money by doing this from the begining. But most SnGs are too tight to pull this off from the start, and I've never seen a MTT that's this crazy, not even a freeroll.
I would never do this, but I can understand someone else playing this way, but only if he's made a big stack early. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 11:29am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
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Location: Sizzler
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| A couple months ago i did a little experiment at party. I joined a $5 SnG and didn't even play one hand. Just post and fold. I ended up in 3rd place. Crazy....huh Im sure it was just a fluke, but that goes to show how bad some players are. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 11:42am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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| strangebird wrote: | | A couple months ago i did a little experiment at party. I joined a $5 SnG and didn't even play one hand. Just post and fold. I ended up in 3rd place. Crazy....huh Im sure it was just a fluke, but that goes to show how bad some players are. |
I bet it works really well at Party. Starting chips is only 800 and the play is crazier there.
I did it at Poker Stars, not on purpose, my power went out during a storm, but I came in 5th place. 
Something that I am going to try tonight. Monkey Poker! I'm going to re-read the move-in specialist part of Tounament Poker for Advanced players and try it out. It'll be something to do, and I can't do any worse than I already am (bubbled out 8 or my last 10 SnGs  ) |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 2:17pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 21 Aug 2004
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"plus, it isn't unusual for their to be an unspoken (or spoken) understanding among the other players that they'll take turns stealing the away players blinds."
It's funny you mentioned that. Someone did bring that up, he said something along the lines of "ok, let's rotate the blinds". 2 people agreed, and no one else spoke up.
It ended up going sour (not everyone coop'd). I'm guessing with money on the line, that unspoken rule is about as solid as a pair of 3s with 5 overcards on the board.
I didn't think this was a semi-common thing to do.
Thanks. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 2:54pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
WPP: 94
Location: Carlsbad, CA
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| mpqz wrote: | "plus, it isn't unusual for their to be an unspoken (or spoken) understanding among the other players that they'll take turns stealing the away players blinds."
It's funny you mentioned that. Someone did bring that up, he said something along the lines of "ok, let's rotate the blinds". 2 people agreed, and no one else spoke up.
It ended up going sour (not everyone coop'd). I'm guessing with money on the line, that unspoken rule is about as solid as a pair of 3s with 5 overcards on the board.
I didn't think this was a semi-common thing to do.
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there was an interesting thread here a while back as to whether "speaking" it constitutes collusion.
i'm thinking about a couple of cases in SNG's when it's gotten down to 3, someone loses a connection or whatever, and the two other players take turns folding on the button, and raising from the small blind until "away player" is gone. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 2:58pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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WPP: 289
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I've never colluded on this type of thing. If I did I know what my starting hands would look like:
AA, his turn to steal
AK, my turn to steal
KK, his turn to steal
AQs, my turn to steal
JJ, his turn to steal
QQ, my turn to steal
AA, his turn to steal
once the third guy was out:
72o
83o
34s
57o
23s
54o
How can you guys pass up those big hands when its the other guys turn to steal??? |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 3:10pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
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Location: Carlsbad, CA
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| heatman wrote: | I've never colluded on this type of thing. If I did I know what my starting hands would look like:
How can you guys pass up those big hands when its the other guys turn to steal??? |
that's the beauty of the "unspoken" agreement. if i get a good hand, guess what, the "agreement" is off! 
you can call me Mr. Weasel Boy! 
i can only remember this happening twice to me, and i had crap hands, so folding was just fine with me. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 4:18pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920
WPP: 120
Location: St. Louis
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| Quote: | | How can you guys pass up those big hands when its the other guys turn to steal??? |
I encountered this very problem on Stars. I've traded blinds with people when someone was just posting and folding with little problem until I ran into one jackass.
It was a 2 table SNG and we were down to 4 people. I was the chip leader (who else would be? ) and the guy with the second largest stack had just slightly less than I did. Between us we had a ~75% of the chips and the other 2 were really short stacked. Well after several hands it became obvious that the guy with the second biggest stack was just posting and folding. Personally I didn't care because I was sitting pretty myself and buying pots from the other two. Well one of the short stacks suggested we trade blinds so we would all place higher in the money. Since I had an advantage already I shouldn't have agreed, but I did.
Well we kept trading for while and at one point I folded QQ and showed them, basically to let them now I was playing along with them. This went on for awhile until one time the blinds were suppossed to go to me. Well one of the short stacks raises me when he should have folded. Thinking he must have done it by mistake since it was obviously my turn, I re-raised him. Well the little cunt goes all-in at this point and with my shitty hand I was forced to fold. He says: | Quote: | | Sorry dude, I hadn't seen rockets in forever and just couldn't pass them up. |
At this point I'm livid. I told him it was cool and I understood though and asked him to go back to trading the blinds. He agreed and said some bullshit like we're buddies and everything. Well a couple hands later I happen to get KK when it's his turn for the blinds and I raise his ass. He gets pissed at me and re-raises me back. At this point I tell him I'm going to put him all-in which he fired back that it is fine with him. Well I do it and he calls. He has turns over AQo, but no aces on the board and he busts out. A few hands later the other short stack busts out as well. It's then just me and the guy that's posting and folding. He conveniently starts playing again at this point and ends up beating me.
The funny part was that the guy that I put all-in stayed around to the end bitching at me and calling me a liar and a cheater...blah blah blah. After awhile I tell him:
| Quote: | | I hadn't seen cowboys in awhile and just couldn't pass them up. I'm sure you understand. |
The situtation couldn't have worked out much better for me (unless I ended up winning of course), but it just as easily could not have. I guess the poker Gods had taken note of his horrendous sortsmanship and acted accordingly. I haven't been in the same situation where someone wanted to trade blinds since that incident, but if it happens again I won't do it even if I'm short stacked. If I happen to bust out because I don't agree to it, then so be it. I'd rather win or lose playing my game and my game alone. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Aug 2004, 4:27pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jun 2004
Posts: 1412
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Location: Milford,Ct.
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| I remember a post not too long ago about a person who tested a theory. I guess they entered a number of SNG's and basically sat out the whole time. And wound up in the money on more than one occasion. Can't quite remeber how they finally ended up as a final result of the experiment. |
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