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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 1:20pm Post subject: laying down rockets a mistake? |
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
Joined: 29 May 2005
Posts: 2175
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Location: xianti made me do it
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Well I was playing micro on Stars last night and this hand really bothered me afterwards, mostly because the results make me wonder if I played it wrong (bad results do that to you ...)
I'd gotten some decent hands previous to this hand (AK, QQ, etc) and I'd been raising 5XBB (not that much when BB=2cents) preflop with these hands. Most of the time it would work and get rid of most the players, leaving maybe 2 or 3 going into the flop, but sometimes it would be too much and everyone would fold. Anyway, this guy raised preflop, and I hadn't seen him (or hardly anyone else at the table for that matter) raise preflop very often previously. I reraised because I wanted to make sure he didn't play with crap. My first question is, should I have reraised more preflop?
Second question: post flop raise: too much or too little? He reraised me. Was I right to get out of this hand? Or should I have reraised again? I don't know what I thought he had, but the fact that he raised preflop and reraised my pot sized bet scared me into thinking he had the best hand. A straight? But who would raise and then call a reraise preflop with 5 6? Unless they were maybe suited?
Anyway. He showed me his his hand, so read the history and let me know what you think. Advice appreciated.
PokerStars Game #1941866993: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2005/06/21 - 03:34:33 (ET)
Table 'Sophia' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kcchia80 ($5.06 in chips)
Seat 2: sillyputti ($4.82 in chips)
Seat 3: saubh ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 6: courtiebee ($6.98 in chips)
Seat 7: JOYCEizJUICY ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 8: jedimasters ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 9: bobdintx ($6.63 in chips)
saubh: posts small blind $0.01
BEntenman: is sitting out
courtiebee: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [As Ah]
BEntenman leaves the table
JOYCEizJUICY: calls $0.02
jedimasters: calls $0.02
bobdintx: folds
kcchia80: folds
sillyputti: raises $0.08 to $0.10
saubh: calls $0.09
courtiebee: raises $0.08 to $0.18
JOYCEizJUICY: folds
jedimasters: folds
sillyputti: calls $0.08
saubh: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [3h 4s 7d]
saubh: checks
courtiebee: bets $0.40
sillyputti: raises $0.40 to $0.80
saubh: folds
courtiebee: folds
sillyputti collected $1.33 from pot
sillyputti: shows [4c Td] (a pair of Fours)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.38 | Rake $0.05
Board [3h 4s 7d]
Seat 1: kcchia80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sillyputti (button) collected ($1.33)
Seat 3: saubh (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: courtiebee (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: JOYCEizJUICY folded before Flop
Seat 8: jedimasters folded before Flop
Seat 9: bobdintx folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 1:32pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6178
WPP: 65
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| well, I think you're waay over thinking the micro limit game. I respect that you probably don't have the $$ to risk but you can't expect people to play correct poker when they are sitting there with 2 bucks. Someone said it a while back here (and I'm sure many other places and times) no risk = no poker. The perfect example is right here... this guy raised with 104o! When people are raising with 104o, you need a REALLY bad flop to get rid of AA, like QJ10 suited with you not having the flush draw. Other than that I'd just go with them. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 1:35pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 269
WPP: 59
Location: Victoria BC
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Horrible play.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
What would I have done? Make a raise with a little more teeth than the one you made. Then I would reraise the fool all in on the flop. He is obviously pushing JJ/QQ/KK/AK. What do you think he could possibly have that beats you? He's going to have to show me 77. That's all there is to it.
Edit: LOL. Just realized this was micro and saw what he showed down. Guess it wasn't KK! |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 1:45pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1307
WPP: 94
Location: Washington, D.C.
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worst laydown i ever saw.
you should have raised way more pre flop... preferably all-in.
definitely re-raise all-in on the flop. there is NOTHING there to scare you.
don't tell me you are intimidated by a raise that is worth less than a gumball.
ChezJ |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 1:51pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 401
WPP: 138
Location: 6MAX-NL - Houston
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| evman150 wrote: | | What do you think he could possibly have that beats you? He's going to have to show me 77. |
Ditto. Take a little time and put your opponent on a hand. 77 is the ONLY hand that beats you that would have played this way, and I'll pay that off any day. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Jun 2005, 3:03pm Post subject: |
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Reraise more preflop.
I make it 25c atleast. Pot flop, call anything.
He raised preflop and is aggro on a 347 flop. You're safe.
-'rilla |
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Posted: Wed, 22 Jun 2005, 6:58am Post subject: Speaking of Pocket Aces |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 30 May 2005
Posts: 58
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Location: Toronto Area
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Here are the details of a crazy but winning hand I played last night. We were the last three players of a 10 player SNG. Did I take too big a chance with these Aces?
I am Sheik Geo
**Hand #42065075 begins**
Ontilit800 receives the dealer button
Sheik Geo posts small blind 50
cami posts big blind 100
You are dealt[As,Ah]
Ontilit800 calls 100
Sheik Geo raises 350
cami calls 300
Ontilit800 calls 300
Flop is dealt [Qs,4s,9s]
Sheik Geo bets 500
cami calls 500
Ontilit800 goes all in 0
Ontilit800 raises 1354
Sheik Geo calls 854
cami goes all in 0
cami raises 2705
Sheik Geo goes all in 0
Sheik Geo calls 887
Turn is dealt [2s]
River is dealt [6h]
cami shows two pairs Nines and Fours
cami's pocket cards were [9c,4c]
Ontilit800 shows two pairs Queens and Nines
Ontilit800's pocket cards were [9d,Qd]
Sheik Geo shows a flush Ace high
Sheik Geo's pocket cards were [As,Ah]
Sheik Geo wins 1774 from side pot
Sheik Geo wins 5262 from main pot
**Hand #42065075 ends**
Obviously, I was worried about the Aces being cracked by the flush. On the other hand, I figured I had a ~36% of hitting the nut flush myself. Did I play this right, or was I just a lucky fool? |
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Posted: Wed, 22 Jun 2005, 7:28am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6178
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| No chance I fold AA there, you played it fine. |
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Posted: Fri, 24 Jun 2005, 12:13am Post subject: |
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
Joined: 29 May 2005
Posts: 2175
WPP: 101
Location: xianti made me do it
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Thanks for the responses. I was pretty damn sure it was a stupid move after I made it, which is why it bugged me so much after I did it. It's nice to know what I SHOULD have done though. Oh well ... next time ... right?
Hah. |
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Posted: Mon, 04 Jul 2005, 11:12am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Apr 2005
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WPP: 56
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| Both you and your opponent made glaring errors... minraising. You're not playing limit, don't treat it as such. A minraise is a very callable raise in any case. If a thinking opponent was playing you, he just put you on overcards. You need to make him think otherwise. |
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Posted: Mon, 04 Jul 2005, 12:16pm Post subject: |
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But who will mod the mods?!
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
Posts: 4989
WPP: 105
Location: Comic-Con
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| courtiebee wrote: | | I was pretty damn sure it was a stupid move after I made it... |
courtiebee, just what did you think he had? Did you put him on a hand before you folded? That flop showed nothing threatening at all. Flopping a straight doesn't happen very often, and 56 is not something he would've raised with pre-flop.
Don't be so timid with your bets. Scared money is dead money. |
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Posted: Mon, 04 Jul 2005, 1:58pm Post subject: |
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Strike 3
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 999
WPP: 80
Location: Wherever the money is!!
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| Xianti wrote: | | courtiebee wrote: | | I was pretty damn sure it was a stupid move after I made it... |
courtiebee, just what did you think he had? Did you put him on a hand before you folded? That flop showed nothing threatening at all. Flopping a straight doesn't happen very often, and 56 is not something he would've raised with pre-flop.
Don't be so timid with your bets. Scared money is dead money. |
Right... but T4os isn't something that is raised preflop 
No way I'm laying down AA in microlimits. |
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Posted: Fri, 08 Jul 2005, 1:25pm Post subject: Re: Speaking of Pocket Aces |
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Two Pair
Joined: 28 May 2005
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WPP: 43
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| G3O wrote: | Here are the details of a crazy but winning hand I played last night. We were the last three players of a 10 player SNG. Did I take too big a chance with these Aces?
I am Sheik Geo
**Hand #42065075 begins**
Ontilit800 receives the dealer button
Sheik Geo posts small blind 50
cami posts big blind 100
You are dealt[As,Ah]
Ontilit800 calls 100
Sheik Geo raises 350
cami calls 300
Ontilit800 calls 300
Flop is dealt [Qs,4s,9s]
Sheik Geo bets 500
cami calls 500
Ontilit800 goes all in 0
Ontilit800 raises 1354
Sheik Geo calls 854
cami goes all in 0
cami raises 2705
Sheik Geo goes all in 0
Sheik Geo calls 887
Turn is dealt [2s]
River is dealt [6h]
cami shows two pairs Nines and Fours
cami's pocket cards were [9c,4c]
Ontilit800 shows two pairs Queens and Nines
Ontilit800's pocket cards were [9d,Qd]
Sheik Geo shows a flush Ace high
Sheik Geo's pocket cards were [As,Ah]
Sheik Geo wins 1774 from side pot
Sheik Geo wins 5262 from main pot
**Hand #42065075 ends**
Obviously, I was worried about the Aces being cracked by the flush. On the other hand, I figured I had a ~36% of hitting the nut flush myself. Did I play this right, or was I just a lucky fool? |
You didn't take a big chance at all. Actually, you played it right.
a) You have top pair. So at the flop you are probably about an 80% fav. b)You also have a 4-flush draw on the board, and a nut flush at that, which gives you 39% odds to hit the flush, let alone the fact that you are already in good shape with the top pair.
Personally, I would've went all-in at the flop. |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 1:20pm Post subject: Re: laying down rockets a mistake? |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 3999
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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| courtiebee wrote: | PokerStars Game #1941866993: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2005/06/21 - 03:34:33 (ET)
Table 'Sophia' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kcchia80 ($5.06 in chips)
Seat 2: sillyputti ($4.82 in chips)
Seat 3: saubh ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 6: courtiebee ($6.98 in chips)
Seat 7: JOYCEizJUICY ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 8: jedimasters ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 9: bobdintx ($6.63 in chips)
saubh: posts small blind $0.01
BEntenman: is sitting out
courtiebee: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [As Ah]
BEntenman leaves the table
JOYCEizJUICY: calls $0.02
jedimasters: calls $0.02
bobdintx: folds
kcchia80: folds
sillyputti: raises $0.08 to $0.10
saubh: calls $0.09
courtiebee: raises $0.08 to $0.18
JOYCEizJUICY: folds
jedimasters: folds
sillyputti: calls $0.08
saubh: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [3h 4s 7d]
saubh: checks
courtiebee: bets $0.40
sillyputti: raises $0.40 to $0.80
saubh: folds
courtiebee: folds
sillyputti collected $1.33 from pot
sillyputti: shows [4c Td] (a pair of Fours)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.38 | Rake $0.05
Board [3h 4s 7d]
Seat 1: kcchia80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sillyputti (button) collected ($1.33)
Seat 3: saubh (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: courtiebee (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: JOYCEizJUICY folded before Flop
Seat 8: jedimasters folded before Flop
Seat 9: bobdintx folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
I really don't like folding here, I'd call and at least see the turn, perhaps c/r'ing all-in. |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 1:29pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
Joined: 29 May 2005
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Location: xianti made me do it
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PUSH COURTIEBEE!
T4o wtfwtf
The only bump that would have been worse than this one would have been the one where gabe was mean to me after I wrote a bad beat post. Luckily for me that was sent to the bad beats forum. |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 1:54pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 24 Sep 2006
Posts: 490
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Location: Huddersfield, England
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Hahaha, was about to say YOU ALL ZOMG GOT LEVELED!one11! when i noticed the date, and then the posts above this.. and
anyway, nh courtie |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 2:26pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
Joined: 29 May 2005
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Location: xianti made me do it
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 3:24pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Wed, 12 Dec 2007, 4:23pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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lol, i never look at the dates of the OP's.
i was going, WHAAAAAAAA?
as played, in todays environment, i think you played it fine. i fold AA nowadays all the time to aggression.
j/k |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Dec 2007, 4:58pm Post subject: |
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pwns WCOOP
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I mean i'd reraise way more preflop but wow that hand would tilt the shit out of me!
Courtie is much better now! |
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Posted: Fri, 14 Dec 2007, 12:42am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Location: Melbourne
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hahaha...
i'm glad to know i'm not the only one who was bad in June 2005 |
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Posted: Tue, 18 Dec 2007, 9:18am Post subject: no smile |
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High Card
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Posted: Tue, 18 Dec 2007, 10:49am Post subject: Re: no smile |
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Full House
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| Lance wrote: | | that was terrible fold |
Amen brother. She sucks |
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Posted: Tue, 18 Dec 2007, 2:20pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
Joined: 29 May 2005
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