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Posted: Fri, 07 Jan 2005, 7:07pm Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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WPP: 74
Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm bumping this 'cause I thought of one that's getting worse and worse by the day:
People who WAY WAY overuse poker jargon.
Every time they open their mouths it's "Your pocket pair got beat by trips? Whew, that's enough to put you on tilt" or "man, mah cowboys keep gettin' cracked at the river, or I lose to pocket rockets"
Oh, and I want to call attention to this bit:
| Les_worm wrote: | | ...I hate it when people will not let go of their small pocket pair. They will play that 66 all the way to the river with many overs because they 'might' get trips. |
The best part is when they talk about it. "Man, I was looking for one more eight..."
LOL! In fact, when I hear this I have actually taken to laughing out loud. Really.
We KNOW you wanted another eight! Your hole cards were BOTH eights! We KNOW that three eights are better than two. The point is that YOU are a @#$%$ IMBECILE.and you are also STUPID and SO ON. |
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Posted: Fri, 07 Jan 2005, 7:19pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 557
WPP: 188
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My biggest pet peeves are:
1) Having to shuffle the deck
2) People not paying attention when it's their turn to act
3) Having to explain the rules/bet/who's in the blind every round |
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Posted: Fri, 07 Jan 2005, 9:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920
WPP: 121
Location: St. Louis
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| Quote: | My biggest pet peeves are:
1) Having to shuffle the deck
2) People not paying attention when it's their turn to act
3) Having to explain the rules/bet/who's in the blind every round |
1) Then never play in a home game.
2) Then never play in a home game where there is drinking involved.
3) Then never play in a home game where there is drinking involved and new players. |
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Posted: Fri, 07 Jan 2005, 9:23pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 557
WPP: 188
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| DaNutsInYoEye wrote: |
1) Then never play in a home game.
2) Then never play in a home game where there is drinking involved.
3) Then never play in a home game where there is drinking involved and new players. |
Ooo, ooo, one more: don't respond to threads to which you have nothing to contribute  |
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Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2005, 8:27am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 16 Nov 2004
Posts: 144
WPP: 75
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| Actually i found nuts reply rather funny. I hate people (one person inparticular) who say you have pocket jacks if someone leads out UTG with a strong bet. |
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Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2005, 10:30am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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WPP: 126
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My friend pointed out one of his pet peeves, one that I had never came across until he mentioned it, and has now become one of mine.
In live games, home or tourney (where players themselves deal), dealing out the hole cards and immediatley after, before any betting occurs, burn a card, place the flop face down; burn a second card and place the turn card face down; burn a third card and place the river card face down.
I absolutely cannot stand when someone does this.  |
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Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2005, 6:08pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| One I forgot: Constant minbetting and minraising. |
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Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2005, 7:38pm Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 2360
WPP: 74
Location: Dallas, TX
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| michael1123 wrote: | | One I forgot: Constant minbetting and minraising. |
Wonder who that could be referring to...
| michael1123 wrote: | | Ban Lefou from playing! |
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Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2005, 3:09pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 1117
WPP: 67
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players who make a sucky play and end up taking u out of the tourney and then theyre all like i pwn you at this game, you totally suck 
-anto |
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Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2005, 6:18pm Post subject:
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People who tap the glass.
I tend to intentionally play a little stupidly and wait until I beat them on a small/medium pot where i am say a 33% underdog, this they consider to be a horrible bad beat.
Sit through their inevitable rave about my bad play, sometimes aggravating them intentionally, then change up a gear. After breaking them i always inquire mildly if that was how they wanted me to play?
Hopefully it teaches them not to be fish scarers. |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Jan 2005, 10:24am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 230
WPP: 89
Location: In The General Vicinity of Dallas
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People who say, "Well, you probably have me beat, but I'll call."
People who say, "I want to go home" and then go all-in.
String bets. Ooooh, how I loathe string bets.
People who bitch when they've made a string bet and you make them pull back the additional chips.
People who dig in the muck pile.
People who deal the flop face down and then flip them all at once, but aren't very good at it.
People who, it seems, simulataneously expect to win whenever they have AA in the hole, feel the need to slowplay AA when they get it because they "always lose", and then whine in genuine bewilderment and frustration about getting outdrawn after they checked the flop and the turn.
Did I mention string bets?
PS: I'm not sure what you mean by 'tapping the glass'. Is that an online poker thing? |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Jan 2005, 12:58pm Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 2360
WPP: 74
Location: Dallas, TX
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| Molinero wrote: | | PS: I'm not sure what you mean by 'tapping the glass'. Is that an online poker thing? |
Tapping the glass is behaving in such a manner that you scare fish away. |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Jan 2005, 4:00pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Posts: 64
WPP: 79
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| Vaun21 wrote: | My friend pointed out one of his pet peeves, one that I had never came across until he mentioned it, and has now become one of mine.
In live games, home or tourney (where players themselves deal), dealing out the hole cards and immediatley after, before any betting occurs, burn a card, place the flop face down; burn a second card and place the turn card face down; burn a third card and place the river card face down.
I absolutely cannot stand when someone does this. |
The purpose of burning a card before the flop, turn and river is to prevent anyone from taking advantage of marked cards. Explain this to them ... hopefully they'll stop when they realize what they're doing is stupid.
mj |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Jan 2005, 5:59pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 100
WPP: 182
Location: UK
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| mjeffr0 wrote: | | people that raise $.50 in late position so every one calls and it takes forever! |
| hypermegachi wrote: | | nothing bothers me more than when someone takes 15 seconds every time action gets to him to make a decision |
Getting both of these types on one table would get me a little irate. 
Personally, I hate players who start arguing over a crap play in the table chat which eventually becomes like some nursery school argument.
- "You pushed me first"
- "Well you stuck your tongue out first"
Shut the fuk up! |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Jan 2005, 6:27pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Location: This room is a good place to be
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There was a guy who acted right after me and would take 30 seconds on every one of my raises. But the two times he decided to call them, his call was nearly instant. OK, Phil Hellmuth. I know you're a rock and waiting punishes yourself as much as it does me.
-'rilla |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jan 2005, 4:18am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| LeFou wrote: | | michael1123 wrote: | | One I forgot: Constant minbetting and minraising. | Wonder who that could be referring to... |
Not just you, by any means. There's players that do it in regular games I play in as well, although they're rather rare. Personally, I can't stand it. Its much less profitable than making larger bets (in my opinion), its hard to read (but its not the only way to be hard to read by any means - regularly betting 3xBB does the same thing without inviting too many calls), and I really really hate folding a big pot to a god damn minbet or minraise.  |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jan 2005, 5:13am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 16 Nov 2004
Posts: 144
WPP: 75
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| I played in a tourny today with some of my frat brothers, these guys cannot play poker if their life depending on it. Everyone min bet, and i wanted to claw my eyes out watching this because I wasn't getting any cards, and I knew I couldn't bluff them because they were calling stations. There was a 3 way all in with a board of something like K 10 9 5 A with 3 suited cards and KJ took out Q9 and K2 in a 3 way all in on the river!. Anyways I ended up taking second against my roommate (who mind you is a very good player). So ya people who min bet, stick on top pair no matter what the board or what their kicker is (well only because I can't make a play at them, but I love it when I have a monster) get on my nerves. |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jan 2005, 4:23pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
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WPP: 67
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| TheDoc wrote: | | I played in a tourny today with some of my frat brothers, these guys cannot play poker if their life depending on it. Everyone min bet, and i wanted to claw my eyes out watching this because I wasn't getting any cards, and I knew I couldn't bluff them because they were calling stations. There was a 3 way all in with a board of something like K 10 9 5 A with 3 suited cards and KJ took out Q9 and K2 in a 3 way all in on the river!. Anyways I ended up taking second against my roommate (who mind you is a very good player). So ya people who min bet, stick on top pair no matter what the board or what their kicker is (well only because I can't make a play at them, but I love it when I have a monster) get on my nerves. |
this is exactly my situation, although some of my friends are really good but most of them keep min betting and min raising, usually when i do bust is b/c they min bet and i come over the top but then they re raise again (min raise), so i know im eat and have to fold. The only time they play hard is when i play hard at them first, it works great when i have monsters but when i dont its always a tough call
-anto |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jan 2005, 4:30pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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My vote is for slowplay, and not the tactical kind. You know you're in for a long game when it takes forever to deal the first hand of an SNG preflop and nobody even raises.
I don't mind the occasional delay. There are hands that require more than a second to decide upon, but when it's constant, and by several players it can almost put you on tilt. |
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Posted: Fri, 14 Jan 2005, 3:53pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 1102
WPP: 80
Location: Wastin' away again in margaritaville....
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The loud guy in my homegame who says "I would have won that hand" EVERY TIME he folds....
I wabbit hunt just for him. 
- sed |
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Posted: Wed, 19 Jan 2005, 2:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Posts: 1721
WPP: 155
Location: B N L
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| Getting dealt pocket rockets on the big blind and having the table fold all the way around - picking up a gain of one SB. Especially in last rounds of a SNG. |
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Posted: Thu, 20 Jan 2005, 11:10am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 9
WPP: 343
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| rdqlus wrote: | | Vaun21 wrote: | My friend pointed out one of his pet peeves, one that I had never came across until he mentioned it, and has now become one of mine.
In live games, home or tourney (where players themselves deal), dealing out the hole cards and immediatley after, before any betting occurs, burn a card, place the flop face down; burn a second card and place the turn card face down; burn a third card and place the river card face down.
I absolutely cannot stand when someone does this. |
The purpose of burning a card before the flop, turn and river is to prevent anyone from taking advantage of marked cards. Explain this to them ... hopefully they'll stop when they realize what they're doing is stupid.
mj |
Thank You!
I played in my first live tourney(s) this week, and was suprised by some of the things I found. The worst was this pre-dealing the board. I've never seen it before, and at least one player at each table I was on did this. It caused several problems, including people mucking into the face-down board cards, and rampant rabbit hunting, "since they were out there anyway."
We were playing with old cards all-around, too. So now I have a response that I can give politely when someone does this, and maybe get it to stop. Thanks!
The other thing I noticed right away was that 4 or 5 out of 8 would see the flop every deal, despite raises. It wasn't always the same people, and it wasn't always with decent cards. Oh well, it's a "friendly" game, and I'll be playing at least twice a month, though the game is on every Monday night. I'll get 'em figured out soon enough.
Don't get me wrong, I made my share of blunders (I hate when a card flips on the deal.) But I definitely didn't feel too out-classed. A little overwhelmed by everything going on, but not out-classed. |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Jan 2005, 3:32pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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WPP: 40
Location: Canada
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| The thing I hate the most is people who insist poker is a game of luck. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jan 2005, 4:11pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Location: This room is a good place to be
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Posted: Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 8:26am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Posts: 260
WPP: 120
Location: Sweden
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| Quote: | I forgot to mention one of my biggest frustrations - pot-juicers. Often this is the same guy who constantly minimum-bets no matter what he holds. In this case, visualize a situation at a no limit table, blinds are .25/.50, and maybe five have limped in... small blind calls, then the big blind raises it to $1.
This is a useless raise. Not one of the people who limped in will fold. The only possible strategic purpose of this raise is if your hand is the magical great hand that can hold up and win a large percentage of the time in a six or seven-way pot. i.e. You better hold kings or aces if you do this. And then you still better have your good luck charms on your person. A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY. |
No itīs not a useless raise. Itīs a potbuilding raise. If you think you have the best hand, then a raise is correct. You could argue that he should raise more, but a $1 raise here is certainly not useless. And you donīt need magical hands as you only need your hand to hold up in more than one time in six in a six-way pot. |
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Posted: Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 10:23am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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WPP: 160
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| Waggho wrote: |
No itīs not a useless raise. Itīs a potbuilding raise. If you think you have the best hand, then a raise is correct. You could argue that he should raise more, but a $1 raise here is certainly not useless. And you donīt need magical hands as you only need your hand to hold up in more than one time in six in a six-way pot. |
Maybe it would be more accurate to say it annoys me to death and slows down the hand... how's that? Also it bumps up the likelihood of a pissing match - someone raising another couple dollars just because they're annoyed. Suddenly these two guys end up all-in with pocket 8s and KJ. Which they're welcome to do, but they're forcing me off some decent hands that I want to play.
You're right that all you need is for your hand to hold up a certain % of the time for this to be a profitable move. However - if poker is already a game of exploiting slim statistical advantages, this technique makes those advantages even slimmer. Instead of getting into a two or three way pot where you are a favorite to win, you are getting into bigger pots with more people where you might be lucky to be a 25% favorite. In addition, those premium hands become harder to play because of the sheer diversity of opponents in the pot. Let's say you are heads-up with someone holding AK, and the flop is Kc Qc 9h... pretty good flop. You'd bet that hard and expect to win most of the time. In a six way pot, you could be up against a straight or two pair. You've probably got straight and flush draws out there. Any bet you put out short of pushing all-in, you will get called by a couple people - who will have pretty good pot odds - and if the next card is a 10? a J? a club? Your AK might still be best but you may never know. You actually lose some of your statistical edge because you've set yourself up for a hand that is dangerous and hard to navigate correctly.
To me the purpose of raising is to drive out lesser hands, increase your statistical edge on each hand you choose to play, and therefore profit more easily on a hand-by-hand basis. If you elect to just juice the pot and constantly play even your premium hands against four or five opponents, you're going to have to be a better player to turn anywhere close to the same profit in the short or long run. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 2:06pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Posts: 260
WPP: 120
Location: Sweden
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| Iīm with you. Your points are good. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 6:14pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 206
WPP: 88
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I hate people who say "you're bluffing" then fold.
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 11:19pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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| elanto wrote: | people who complain about theyre aces getting cracked after they slow played them pre flop, checked the flop and turn and then push in the river...when i have a str8 or flush 
-anto |
Why is this a peeve? You are taking their money. If they want to keep playing that way, I will listen to their banter while taking their chips. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Feb 2005, 4:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Feb 2005, 5:47pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1507
WPP: 134
Location: moral high ground
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huge pet peeve (especially on Party where you can be shown as male or female):
When female players chat it up and pretend to be young, drunk, and horny as a distraction. I mean, if you're going to do that, you might as well be playing live where it might actually work as an awesome bluffing technique. Either that or hit the street corner where there's more money to be made. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2005, 1:31am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Dec 2004
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betting into a dry pot, ok sure i dont mind
people who bet on the button because everyone checked. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2005, 1:32am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Dec 2004
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| dalecooper wrote: | | New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table. | ya i hear ya, i just lost $30 at the $1-2 tables on vc because i was getting 10,4 J,3 for a freakin HOUR |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2005, 11:31am Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 2360
WPP: 74
Location: Dallas, TX
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| jmontis wrote: | | people who bet on the button because everyone checked. |
Nonsense. That's what the button (and red cards) are for. |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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| I'll put this here because it doesn't deserve its own thread: not getting a chance to play premium cards. Today I got dealt two red aces in the small blind. As the action slowly goes around the table I'm waiting for someone - anyone - to pre-flop raise. Nothing... they all fold. OK, fine. So I complete my blind with no raise, hoping to maybe make a little something off the big blind. Nope: he actually folds his hand instead of checking it and taking a flop. Grrrrrrrr. |
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