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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 6:59am Post subject: poker etiquette questions
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4-of-a-Kind
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I've been playing a live game that is very laid-back and chill. However, most of the players have vastly more experience at live poker than me, especially in city poker clubs. My live experience is basically in casual home games.
A couple players told me I was doing some things that are considered uncool and in bad form:
1. When I was in multiway pots and wanted to reraise, but not go all in (I was big stack most of the night), I would tell the raiser, "I'll put you all in." I was told that this is considered rude and could get me in trouble in some places...I stopped doing it, but I had done it because I had always found it intimidating when people have done that to me and live poker is very much a psychological game. As a live-game neophyte I wonder if this is a regional thing or if it is very much unacceptable everywhere...
2. I'm not used to making quick calculations on chip stacks ... a couple times I would ask preflop raisers how much they had behind in order to decide if it was worth calling with hands like small pairs....this also annoyed a couple people. I realize they don't have to answer but is it OK to ask? |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 1:36pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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1. It sounds nitpicky, but they are right. If you say "I put you all in" in a multiway pot, it's not really a real bet. Let's say you have 10k chips, the guy you want to "put all in" has 2k and a 3rd player has 6k. If you say "I put you all in", it is ambiguous. Did you bet 2k? 6k? 10k? If the guy with 6k then shoves, there should be no debate of what you can now fold after putting 2k in the pot, or be forced to put in 6k.
This can all be avoided by just stating an amount to bet, or saying "I'm all in".
2. Asking them for a count is fine, and you are right, they don't need to answer. |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 2:31pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Thanks...as for No. 1, that's a good reason not to do it, too, but I got the impression that it was a problem because it was considered rude/obnoxious rather than because it was ambiguous. |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 2:47pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Kornholio hit the nail.
as far as asking how many chips, they don't have to answer, but I believe they must move their hands away so you can see how many? |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 3:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Thanks...as for No. 1, that's a good reason not to do it, too, but I got the impression that it was a problem because it was considered rude/obnoxious rather than because it was ambiguous. |
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Posted: Sat, 24 Oct 2009, 5:11pm Post subject:
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Full House
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I don't mind it, but it does annoy people, and it's wrong... you're not putting them all-in, it's their decision if they want to go all-in or not. Just say "I'm all-in" instead.
You really don't want players to get angry with you. It rarely does anything good for you.
I'm never going to tell anyone how much I have, but I will always keep my chips visible. if someone obstructs their stack in any way I will just tell him not to do that, and to put the big chips in front... that's what they should be doing anyway.
I would consider it bad etiquette if someone just constantly asks just to get "tells" - and if you're only ever asking to get tells, you're giving information away yourself. - if you only ever ask to see if it's worth nutmining, then that's obviously bad. |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Oct 2009, 5:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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yeah, not good to make people angry, especially if you're winning...
i went to a new place tonight, slightly scary at first, a Russian poker club in Brooklyn. was on my best behavior, didn't "put you all-in," tipped everyone imaginable, from the dealers, the waitress, the security guards a total of $200, left up $800, and told everyone how lucky i got. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 12:48am Post subject:
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Full House
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| oskar wrote: | | you're not putting them all-in, it's their decision if they want to go all-in or not. |
This is the heart of the issue. You cannot put someone else's chips into the pot, all-in or otherwise. You do not control their chips, no matter what you say. Only your opponent can put his own chips into the pot, if he so desires.
ChezJ |
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