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^^^^ real nice pot there.

the 66 hand i might do every once in awhile, but i find it just gets you into more trouble then its worth.
the only time ill make a play like this, is if i see a bunch of loose players limping and im in the CO or on the button. that way you might take down 5 or 6 bb's with no contest.
i would never try this against a tight player tho. you have no idea where you're at on the flop.
are you running PT with pokerace ?

ya I got PAce

I agree with Renton here. I think raising lower pocket pairs sometimes is good. Depends on the table texture of course--I wouldn't do it at a table full of maniac laggs, but at a table full of weak tighties it's definitely +EV.

Renton:
The biggest change I have made over the past six months is to never slowplay less than top boat.
I raise the shit out of every two pair+ hand that I hit. To make this less transparent and make much more money I also raise teh shit out of every nut flush draw, combo draw, and straight draw (OE or gutshot) that includes overs when I don't believe opponent has more than top pair.

An example of how I reason about stuff like this:

Say you have 67s and your flush falls on the flop. At this point everyone, even the ones that hit something nice, will be like "would someone have the flush?.." It depends a bit on expectations of how my opponents will play, the actual flop cards etc, but generally I will slowplay this on the flop. So either just check (call any low raise) or throw a ridiculously low sum that'll fold no-one to build the pot a little bit.

The downside is that someone holding an overcard to my suit can get a higher flush. He only has 16% that this will happen though. The upsides are twofold. First, if I bet heavy on the turn, people will start to think most of all how the turn card will have improved my hand. Second, if nothing had anything satisfactory on the flop, I'm kinda hoping someone got an improvement on their hand by the turn card that they are willing to put some money on the line for, so call (or even reraise!) my raises.

You are crazy.
We have to fastplay this hand not because we think villain may have a 4, but because so many turn cards can kill our action. Getting money in while villain's hand still looks somewhat appealing is the most important issue.
What if the turn card had been a 2, 4, 7, 10, J, Q, K, or A?
How much money do you expect villain to really put in the pot then?

Oh I definitely dont agree with a push.
I would reraise 3x

He calls 7BB OOP, so you might put him on a medium PP. Raise flop and hope for 99-JJ to not believe you have QQ+. Although calling and raising the turn isn't horrible IMO.

so in other words, this was a generally unprofitable hand for me in general. If I raised the flop he would have folded almost doubtlessly assuming he's half intelligent (I raised preflop and raised the flop, 99 can't be good here). I think I stood to win a small pot here until the 9 hit.

I haven't read the entire thread Renton, just one thing that always helps me when I'm thinking like a donk - a short break. Just a couple days. Although my last break was a couple months. It helps. I know other players (jfish for example) do the same thing. Just a thought. Smile

I think you went all-in with KQ a bit prematurely. I don't always raise with AK, and if I am raised out of position I'll just call with AK.

I think its weak to make someone pay more than pot for a 22:1 draw.

renton,
try to play your awesome hands faster and your one pair hands slower.

Look, some will disagree here, but I've made a lot of money playing 100 and your raises w/ marginal hands like AJ and KQ and crappy hands like A3 are just donk. I dont want to be wordy here, so here it is briefly.

These hands only win you small pots and cost you big ones.

I know that at the 25 dollar limit you get called by A7 and K 10 (even bigger donks), but that doesnt mean that you are playing good poker.

Now with that being said, you seem like a smart guy (you are trying to improve your game), so take the advice of most people on this board. Especially take the advice of the people that actually play 100 or 200 and are successful. Finally, take this advice. Aggressiveness post flop (and folding when pushed back) will KILL the 100 game. Aggressiveness preflop (without premium hands or the correct table texture) will get you killed.

Raising 10-8 or similar hands after a ton of limpers can be a +ev play. Personally, I think its an ideal hand to just call and be in a limped pot.

Either way, raising 10-8 late is much better than A-J early, that is unless there are only 1 or 2 in the pot, then I like to push a little.

Anyway, I still stick by my theory that you will take down way more uncontested pots post flop by throwing in a raise after calling or limping, than by c-betting.

heres a quote splashpots.com, a site created by one of the best players in the higher games on party.

"The Key to playing No Limit is to constantly be forcing your opponents into tough decisions, while keeping your decisions simple. Leave them enough rope.

The Button is like the door man of a night club, he decides if the limpers in front of him will get to see the flop or not.

You are on the button in a ten handed 10/20 NL game and are dealt 54s or A3s or T8, 4 players limp to you, and you make it $160.

The key to this move is that some of time you are going to have AA when you make this raise. When you do have AA, it is more likely you will get action then if you have never been raising in this position. However, even when your opponents do play with you, they still need to play passively because they are playing for all their chips if you do have AA: When you don't have AA, you aren't going to put your stack in the middle. So when someone calls with 22, their implied odds are actually horrific. You keep your opponents playing passively, afraid and guessing. By being the aggressor, you are in control of the hand. Every time you raise or bet or show strength your message to your opponents is that your hand is stronger then theirs, and this is intimidating because the plan truth is that when a players hand is stronger, they bet.

Your play from this point forward is not overly complicated, its actually quite simple. Your opponents have defined their hands up until this point as not being strong enough to warrant a raise.

If they reraise you, then it is fairly obvious that they slow-played a strong hand, you have no decision to make. You quickly fold. Next hand.

When you get called by the first person who limped your warning bells should be ringing. It is more likely that the first person who limped is now cold-calling with a big hand then if the second limper calls your raise. When a player is not the first limper, they are basically saying: My hand is not strong enough to raise with here. I want to see a Multi-way Flop. We do not want this to happen.

If a non-first limper calls you and you don't have a read on them as a tight player, they are most likely calling with a pair (most NL players are in love with a pair, the holy possibility of flopping a set) or he is calling with a hand like AJ or KQ which he will not play aggressively post-flop, how can he when you raised $160 representing a monster?

Depending on the flop, its usually a good idea to go ahead and fire again about half of the pot. You'll take it down a high percentage of the time for it to be profitable.

Think about the concept of what I have written and apply it to your game. But don'tover do it."

http://www.splashpots.com/oct23.html

A good article that illustrates the value of raising in position. Also note that if someone calls his preflop raise and shows strength, he gets out. This is my point, in todays game, people think that a raise from position is a transparent play and dont respect you much post flop, but if you limp and fire out, they are putting you on a hand.

Long story short, a mixture of well timed preflop raises and saavy postflop play is the way to go. But don't raise w/ AJ and KQ OOP. LOL

Gabe, do you still do this at a table of calling stations? I'm thinking no, right?

i think so, although i havent played full ring with 5+ calling stations in a while.

maybe i'll run an experiment tonight.

ilikeaces posted lots of hands about raising in position in the $100 and $200 games in a thread called 'aces rambling thread' or something like that. search for it, it might be helpful.

Aggression good.

Fnord don't be so verbose. Razz

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