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Posted: Tue, 30 May 2006, 4:31pm Post subject: Playing with international players.
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Two Pair
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I'm from the U.S. and I usually respect the europeans and other players that I play against. However, I cannot stand the French. Not only are they the worst players I've ever encountered, but they are the most arrogant.
Every time you win a hand against them b/c of their dumb play, they'll say something along the lines of "American bouffon!" and then next thing you know... you're mad at them, and so you get aggressive and make a couple dumb plays and lose some money when they actually HAVE a hand.
Now, the Scandinavian and UK players, I respect. They're good players on average, and courteous too. Though you will occasionally encounter a cocky Britishmen, you'll often warm up to his sense of humor.
This is my experience. Share any that you might have. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 May 2006, 4:45pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| this seems like it could get ugly |
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Posted: Tue, 30 May 2006, 5:04pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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| Why get mad at them? The French that you've encountered sound like the ideal opponents. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 May 2006, 7:01pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| lol wow, talk about stereotypying, ahahahah |
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Posted: Tue, 30 May 2006, 7:09pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| This can only end in le tears. |
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Posted: Thu, 01 Jun 2006, 9:29am Post subject: Re: Playing with international players.
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Atlplayer85 wrote: | However, I cannot stand the French. Not only are they the worst players I've ever encountered, but they are the most arrogant.
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i hear you atl....
i´m playing mostly at Everest Poker, which is full of french punks...though i know some nice french girls, playing with their boys is no fun. their arrogant like u said and far more they are the worst losers around. at most sng´s, where u are faced with at least 3/4 french, the shit talking starts, when they got kicked out, insulting people who beat them from the spectators perspective. furthermore they rather speak english, talking to each other in french....annoying, when u dont know what they are talking about.
btw, what do u guys think of germans playing poker?  |
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Posted: Thu, 01 Jun 2006, 2:03pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 2:29pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| Xianti wrote: | | Why get mad at them? The French that you've encountered sound like the ideal opponents. |
This is true, I can often make a good profit off of them. But they like to bluff, and call alot... leading to the occasional bad beat, or maybe laying the best hand down. I've moved up in blinds recently, and I rarely encounter them now, I usually play against American players now... who are pretty predictable in their play. They don't really use too many fancy plays, and it's easy to put a read on them. They're always thinking you're playing mind games with them (when you are), so they'll quickly go all in with top pair when you have the nuts. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 2:39pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| Roco415 wrote: | | lol wow, talk about stereotypying, ahahahah |
Stereotyping your opponents could lead to a profit.
If you can understand someone's culture, which has a profound effect on the individual, then you could make good reads. For instance, I've learned that the Scandinavians are really tight players. So I can easily semibluff them out a pot if they don't hit the flop. Tight/passive
Germans... I'm not too sure, haven't played many of them... but they've never annoyed me and seem to be balanced players. I'd classify them as semi-Loose/semi-aggressive.
French, obviously... Loose/Aggressive and prone to bluff/call you down with any two cards.
British... they play good from my experience, i'd say they're -- Tight/semi-aggressive. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 2:45pm Post subject: Re: Playing with international players.
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Two Pair
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| XTR1000 wrote: | | Atlplayer85 wrote: | However, I cannot stand the French. Not only are they the worst players I've ever encountered, but they are the most arrogant.
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i hear you atl....
i´m playing mostly at Everest Poker, which is full of french punks...though i know some nice french girls, playing with their boys is no fun. their arrogant like u said and far more they are the worst losers around. at most sng´s, where u are faced with at least 3/4 french, the shit talking starts, when they got kicked out, insulting people who beat them from the spectators perspective. furthermore they rather speak english, talking to each other in french....annoying, when u dont know what they are talking about.
btw, what do u guys think of germans playing poker? |
I know what you mean, I always think they're colluding and stuff...
I don't mind their arrogance, I consider myself pretty arrogant at the table. I'm courteous, but I never hesitate to call someone out when they make a dumb play. And often these guys will be going all in preflop alot with hands like... K-9off, you got A-10suited, and you end up losing somehow. They're just not good players at all, I think they play purely by what I like to call "Luck and Bluff". Whereas I play "Math and Nuts". So obviously I don't mix well with the French. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 3:07pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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The problem is that the French wish they were as great as the Americans but are too proud to admit it (maybe someone else has a theory where the proudness comes from, definitely not their military history). The simultaneous envy and disdain drive them insane and make them not take showers or wear deodorant.
If they are bothering you use the following:
"One time an episode of Walker Texas Ranger was shown in France. They surrendered just to be safe." |
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 5:04pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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The French like to bluff a lot but fold to any show of signficant strength and hand you the rest of their stack just to keep you happy.
Germans always think their cards are superior but play them very mechanically.
The British are usually playing short stacked but are very tenacious and will defend their blinds to the last chip.
Americans usually have the most chips at the table but take their hands too far and then are confused about why they're bleeding money. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 Jun 2006, 7:00pm Post subject:
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Straight
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| i figured the french would fold every hand. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 1:01am Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| Warpe wrote: | The French like to bluff a lot but fold to any show of signficant strength and hand you the rest of their stack just to keep you happy.
Germans always think their cards are superior but play them very mechanically.
The British are usually playing short stacked but are very tenacious and will defend their blinds to the last chip.
Americans usually have the most chips at the table but take their hands too far and then are confused about why they're bleeding money. |
that's a pretty good summary right there.
i'd say you nailed it with this post, that's european poker in a nutshell. |
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Posted: Sun, 09 Jul 2006, 12:38pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| jukejointroach wrote: | | i figured the french would fold every hand. |
You bastard!! I just spit coffee all over my monitor.
If a Frenchman is talking trash at your table, it's usually a good idea to stir the pot with comments about French rifles and such. |
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Posted: Fri, 28 Jul 2006, 11:30pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Warpe wrote: | The French like to bluff a lot but fold to any show of signficant strength and hand you the rest of their stack just to keep you happy.
Germans always think their cards are superior but play them very mechanically.
The British are usually playing short stacked but are very tenacious and will defend their blinds to the last chip.
Americans usually have the most chips at the table but take their hands too far and then are confused about why they're bleeding money. |
Scandinavians? |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jul 2006, 8:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Italians.. preflop they'll bluff constantly, but once the flop comes around they play catanacio, very weak/tight
the japanese, the experts of the shortstack ninja playstyle
swiss.. they just stay out of big pots and get rich stealing small pots
chinese.. they multitable so much.. and they seldom bluff
israeli, watch out for them, they'll take all your money so fast.. better leave the table if one of them has position on you
the dutch, they do nothing but talk talk talk (in bad english) at the table, but they usually don't have much to show for
africans.. they're good at bigstack poker, so beware
palestinians.. they play weird.. they push a few hands preflop and then they are gone |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Oct 2006, 8:02pm Post subject:
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Flush
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What about the Irish....
This blog entry seems to prove evidence of what the op's saying...
| Quote: | My table was boring and passive with little action and I yo-yo'd up and down €100 each way for an hour or so. Then a maniac joined us from another feeder table and things soon livened up. I discovered the Rockets winking up at me in the Big Blind. A daring newbie in middle position made in €5 to play and there were about 3 callers including Mr Maniac on the button. Naturally enough, I then potted it and it folded all the way around to Maniac who was short stacked with about €100 behind him and he called.
The flop arrived J76 rainbow and I duly potted it which was enough to set him all in. He called with a flourish and triumphantly flipped J7. Offsuit. I think my jaw may well have hit the table - more in astonishment at the way he was now claiming he'd outplayed me (yes, really) - than at his actual holding. This silliness didn't last more than a few seconds as the natural order was restored with a six on the turn and I took it down.
Then the talking started as he fumbled out some bills to re-buy.
"That was a bad beat"
"????"
"That was a bad beat. I had you beaten there, Bad Fooken Beat that."
I just quietly said "that wasn't a bad beat" and looked at him levelly. Most of the table laughed at him and he eventually calmed down and proceeded to lose this next buy-in with impressive alacrity. He asked for his seat to kept open and announced that he was off downstairs for a beer, one of his mates joined him and we were down to to 7 temporarily.
I was under the gun with 77 with a French chap to my right. Now when it comes to the French, I'm with Bart Simpson....cheese-eating surrender monkeys the lot of 'em. Never liked them, never will! They may have given us wine, Monet and Proust but they also gave us snooty Parisians, Jacques Chirac and Johnny Halliday. Indulge me in my mild xenophobia here!
Anyway, this particular example of the breed seemed harmless enough, certainly not much of a poker player.
I limped in with my 77, my left-hand neighbour raised to €10 and then his solid enough neighbour re-raised to €26 and my froggy friend re-potted it! The first re-raise was enough for me and I chucked away the sevens, my left-hand neighbour dwelt and folded and Froggy ended up all-in pre-flop for a pot of about €350.
He flipped pocket Jacks and the solid player (Surprise, Surprise!) flipped Kings.
Froggy starts grousing under his breath and the flop doesn't improve his mood with two Aces and a rag. Turn is another Ace and he's positively furious. The river blanks out and the dealer (Kate) starts pushing the pot to the solid player with Froggy still moaning about his merde luck. I yell at her to stop and shout "Bad Beat Jackpot!" over to the poker desk. Nobody else at the table spotted it!! Da Management hot-foots it over and quickly establishes that I'm right.
I tell Froggy "I've just won you three grand" and his exact words are "what ze fuck are you talking about?" accompanied by a suitably Gallic (and garlic too to judge by the stink) sneer. I resist the urge to do unto him what Hitler's tank divisions did to the French army in 1940 and explain the situation. His feeble French brain doesn't quite grasp the story but eventually he starts to get it! 20% of the pool is kept to seed the next jackpot so Froggy ends up with €2400, the hand winner gets €1200 and each of the other 5 players in the hands gets €240.
The real hilarity ensues when Mr Maniac returns to the table and is filled in on what he missed out on. Cue whinging and moaning about his 'lost' €240. Once this subsides, I look him in the eye and say "now that's a bad beat!". He was uncharacteristically silent in response!! |
I remember two scandies that played in college, they played exactly like the sterotypical scandie would. Must be some truth in the theory then. |
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Posted: Wed, 21 Mar 2007, 5:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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i thought about stereotyping lately. it seems like there´s a correalation between a nations average english skills and their ability to play poker. the reason for this might be that at least 80% of the aviable books and info´s on the net and forums are in english.
i came to this conclusion since i´m confronted with european players mainly at evp. scandinavians seem to somewhat know what they´re doing at the tables as well as dutch. germans and polish players are somewhere in the middle and french are the biggest donators alive.
if you´ve ever travelled across europe, you´d know, that this rating reflects also ppl´s ability to talk/read in this foreign language.
of course there will always be exceptions breaking this rule, but in the pool of low stakes donks this rule applies in some way. look for french. |
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Posted: Wed, 21 Mar 2007, 5:51pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| swiggidy wrote: | The problem is that the French wish they were as great as the Americans but are too proud to admit it (maybe someone else has a theory where the proudness comes from, definitely not their military history). The simultaneous envy and disdain drive them insane and make them not take showers or wear deodorant.
If they are bothering you use the following:
"One time an episode of Walker Texas Ranger was shown in France. They surrendered just to be safe." |
how many frenchmen does it take to defend paris?
Answer: none, it hasnt been done.
gg le france.
fwiw, all euro's expect scands and brits (at least some anyway) are fish. |
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Posted: Wed, 21 Mar 2007, 7:09pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| XTR1000 wrote: | i thought about stereotyping lately. it seems like there´s a correalation between a nations average english skills and their ability to play poker.
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I dunno. Yanks aren't THAT bad at poker. |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Apr 2007, 12:09am Post subject:
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Two Pair
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I love the french & the way they play!  |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Apr 2007, 12:09am Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| I love the french & the way they play! |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 4:06am Post subject:
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High Card
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 5:55am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| I miss the seppos. Every time I sit down at Crypto it's me and 5 Scandinavians and they're all better than me. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 8:28am Post subject:
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Full House
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| biondino wrote: | | I miss the seppos. Every time I sit down at Crypto it's me and 5 Scandinavians and they're all better than me. |
I'm not Scandinavian.
*chortle* |
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Posted: Mon, 04 Jun 2007, 7:59pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Her's sample of Boss Network ecosystem:
Germans: mainly LPA fishies, generally abysmal play and absurd preflop looseness (60% or so). Even their nicknames are donkish (EL FLUSHO, Danny86, danci etc. - being runnered + seeing their idiot nickname= crazy tilt, beware). But they are fun to play and nice, friendly guys (and main source of $$$).
Spain, Portugal: monkey lagtards on all streets, spew like they were on crack or something. If you want to extract PSB on any street just check to them, use some stack-a-donk line and profit. They are pretty funny if they lose a big pot - expect fireworks in chat with "retardo", "cretino" and some Spanish swearing.
Scandinavians: they try to play well, squeaky tight and ABC in most cases and they win their fair share, mainly from Germans and Portugese guys. They choose "respectable" nickname like "Larsen", "CarlosOlsen", "Kara Jean" but they could easily name themselves "Bob Stupak" with their one-digit VP$IP. But postflop they turn into crazy mofos.
Poles, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Romanians, Russians (and all other countries of former Warsaw Pact) - insufferable nits, tight passives, weak tights, slowplayers, trappers. They take risks only with uber mortal lock in hand, if they don't flop monster they c/f, once in a blue moon they c/c and c/r turn. Some of them recently learned to float weak hands so 2nd barrels against them from time to time are quite in order. They can win money from Deutschen Spielers (but not much because they c/c monsters no matter what and bet like wimps with something moderate-strong), but they often get run over by monkey-lagtards from Spain and Portugal and flat out pwnt by Olsens and Mortensens.
Greeks - well, I hate having those guys in my tables, if they aren't on tilt, they can play pretty tough taggy game with bluffs, floats, semibluffs, etc. The one common thing for them is: if they check blroadway flop after being preflop raiser, they flopped a big set (ok it's not much info because everyone plays like this even Swedes). It's easy to spot them by characteristic nicknames: "rezilakos", "kedrissos", "panathikos", "nitos" |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 3:53pm Post subject:
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High Card
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| I agree with Jack, I borrowed money before, not as much, but I'm still paying it off lol. Just a couple hundred bucks. But yeah...Jack, I know that girl in your avatar, she lives like..15 minutes away from me haha. CJ Gibson is hot. |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Nov 2007, 9:55pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| ..anyone has opnion about Brazilians way of game? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Nov 2007, 5:06am Post subject:
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Flush
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| Verde wrote: | | ..anyone has opnion about Brazilians way of game? |
They only understand the call and all-in buttons |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Nov 2007, 5:54am Post subject:
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Season VI
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| Verde wrote: | | ..anyone has opnion about Brazilians way of game? |
Stick to football
Never saw this thread before, it's funny. I always find that scandinavians seem to be the best players on average, and brits and americans are somewhere in the middle. Like miffed said, anyone who is European but not UK or scandinavian is usually pretty terrible. I don't think I have ever seen a decent german or french player. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Nov 2007, 9:43am Post subject:
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Flush
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| i like to play with Brazilians...though i'm becoming quite drawn to the 7o's hairy look |
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| not to asian...they are good |
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Full House
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European rounders, yes it's old but appropriate
http://www.forumextractor.com/topic/31174.html
Michel (voiceover): "This game is really scummy, and well above what I can
afford to play. My entire bankroll is riding on this one session going well.
This is Teddy CIA's place, where they only play Pot Limit Omaha, the most
sophisticated game in Europe."
- Michel knocks on the window -
Teddy CIA: "You want poker, or whore?"
Michel: "Poker. Give me three stacks of high, elitist society. |
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