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Posted: Sun, 15 Feb 2009, 8:01pm Post subject: Otters New Start To Poker
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Two Pair

Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Posts: 39 WPP: 140
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Hello everyone
I am making this so that we can keep track of how I am doing. I am very glad I joined this place and now with some luck and skill you can help me reach my wanted money level. I want to say that I hate playing the 10NL and started today. It is so low stacks that it is frustrating but I know I have to be a good player before I can move up. This is where I will learn how to best the other players and get $2500.
My bankroll is now at $200 and this is the recomended 20 buyins as the post said. I will be playing 2 tables of the 10NL no limit games to help not be too bored and things. I might play 3 or 4 if I am doing well on 2.
Today I lost my roll on the PokerStars and I haven't started my grinding sessions yet. The first one will be tomorrow when I am rested. Besides this I am very very tired from poker today and have not done the farm work that needed done. There are 3 new horses here and I didn't feed them because I was tilt from the 200NL No limit but I will be doing this in ten minutes. There are also a few ducks here that will need tagging and I will do that tonight too before I sleep.
It can get a bit lonely out here but I am used to it. Thats why I love poker because I feel like I am part of an online village of players if you can understand what I mean to say. I came to the UK from Costa Rica and my English is still improving so please let me know if you dont know what I am speaking about.
My plan for my first grinding session tomorrow is to play hard and stable. I will not be making dumb bluffs and I will be raising the right amounts instead of making pots too big to handle. I think Otter strategy is good but not enough to make me win here. I will play like I see everyone here play and let you know how it goes. Good luck to you all.
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Posted: Sun, 15 Feb 2009, 8:25pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Posts: 659 WPP: 86
Location: Norway
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Look forward to hear about your progression.
GL
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Posted: Sun, 15 Feb 2009, 8:28pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
Posts: 779 WPP: 207
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Otter. Before you play any more poker .......READ ALL THE POSTS IN THE DIGEST IN BEGINNERS CIRCLE. You were told time and time again that you were playing badly and that you WOULD lose your bankroll. Just because you are now following bankroll startegy,this doesn't mean that you won't go bust again if you keep playing the same way.It will just take longer.
Also read the posts in the strategy forum and read the posts in beginners circle and think about what some of the Mods (Spenda and Will) are saying in their replies.Good luck when you start playing again. |
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Posted: Sun, 15 Feb 2009, 9:53pm Post subject: Re: Otters New Start To Poker
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Straight

Joined: 29 Jan 2009
Posts: 125 WPP: 81
Location: Scotland
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| Otter_Brothface wrote: | Hello everyone
Today I lost my roll on the PokerStars and I haven't started my grinding sessions yet. The first one will be tomorrow when I am rested. Besides this I am very very tired from poker today and have not done the farm work that needed done. There are 3 new horses here and I didn't feed them because I was tilt from the 200NL No limit but I will be doing this in ten minutes. There are also a few ducks here that will need tagging and I will do that tonight too before I sleep.
It can get a bit lonely out here but I am used to it. Thats why I love poker because I feel like I am part of an online village of players if you can understand what I mean to say. I came to the UK from Costa Rica and my English is still improving so please let me know if you dont know what I am speaking about.
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...... oh and good luck of course lol. You really have to stick to the rules of BR management though Otter and continue to update this operation thread if you want to make it to your desired level. You've already caught the imagination of the people on this site so you won't be short of views on this opertion I feel and so make the most of it!!!! |
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Posted: Sun, 15 Feb 2009, 10:58pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 13 Jul 2008
Posts: 234 WPP: 102
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GL otter, your posts are making a lot more sense than when you first joined.
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The NL after 200 or 10 stands for No limit. The number represents the stakes and is the big blind multiplied by 100, which is the normal buy in for those stakes. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 12:41am Post subject:
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Season III

Joined: 20 Aug 2005
Posts: 1779 WPP: 124
Location: Winning 1 of 1 games
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 1:27am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 2218 WPP: 81
Location: sigh..nit ring
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Otter good luck. Remember, poker isn't easy. It will take alot of work to develop into a sound player. The best thing you can do is stick to Bankroll Management, and read as much about poker as you can. If you put the hard work that's needed into poker, the rewards will come. Just be sure to maintain a positive attitude and the willingness to learn throughout your poker journey. And remember, if there is anything at all that you don't understand or have a hard time figuring out, there are lots of great people here at FTR to give you assistance.
All the best,
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 4:18pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Posts: 88 WPP: 50
Location: Brasil-DF
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| Keith_MM wrote: | | (...) Just because you are now following bankroll startegy,this doesn't mean that you won't go bust (...). It will just take longer. (...) |
Hey! I found this very straight, and made me thought never to forget my goals related to Bankroll Management, and also to read and improve day by day! Thanx! |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 4:40pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 7972 WPP: 67
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| correct BR 'startegy' does in fact guarantee you will not go broke. You don't use BR requirements to determine where you start playing and then never think about it again, you use them to consistently evaluate what level you should be playing. If you get down to less than X BI for the lowest micro stake you either quit playing or re deposit. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 5:09pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Posts: 88 WPP: 50
Location: Brasil-DF
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| drmcboy wrote: | | (...) If you get down to less than X BI for the lowest micro stake you either quit playing or re deposit. |
Thatīs quite the same to say one went bust! In my humble understanding... I got what Keith_MM said... My point of view is: it means even if you are playing the lowest correct micro stack according to Bankroll Management, youīll go broke if you donīt improve as a poker player... If you donīt improve, you wonīt be able to move up to the next level, and, it can happen, eventually you will have to re-deposit...
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 5:15pm Post subject:
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Not a thinking person

Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 2425 WPP: 138
Location: My ice is polarized
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 5:50pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
Posts: 779 WPP: 207
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| drmcboy wrote: | | correct BR 'startegy' does in fact guarantee you will not go broke. You don't use BR requirements to determine where you start playing and then never think about it again, you use them to consistently evaluate what level you should be playing. If you get down to less than X BI for the lowest micro stake you either quit playing or re deposit. | If you get that low its probably below the miminum cash out threshold so they'll play until bust to try and turn it round.If they have to deposit to keep going its virtually the same as going bust. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 6:08pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 1477 WPP: 98
Location: swonging and swonging
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| Keith_MM wrote: | | drmcboy wrote: | | correct BR 'startegy' does in fact guarantee you will not go broke. You don't use BR requirements to determine where you start playing and then never think about it again, you use them to consistently evaluate what level you should be playing. If you get down to less than X BI for the lowest micro stake you either quit playing or re deposit. | If you get that low its probably below the miminum cash out threshold so they'll play until bust to try and turn it round.If they have to deposit to keep going its virtually the same as going bust. | Accepted BR management is based loosely on Kelly Criterion. Look it up if you want to know more.
The likelihood of going broke with 20 buyins and an edge is fairly slim. The further you can drop in limits, the slimmer that possibility becomes. At micros, it get interesting. If you have $50 and are playing with minimum 20 buyins, you will probably buy in for $2 on a .01/.02 table. Even if you manage to lose 15 buyins in a session, you will still be buying into the .01/.02 tables for $1.
Busting is unlikely even with a $50 roll. By the time you're playing $10nl, with BR management and an edge, going broke will be damn near impossible. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 6:22pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
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I think it's important to go back to what I originally wrote , that got abbreviated in a quote and comments made out of context.
| Quote: | Just because you are now following bankroll startegy,this doesn't mean that you won't go bust again if you keep playing the same way.It will just take longer.
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I've highlighted the important bit as it ties in with your post Dev. You are talking about when you have an edge, my comment was referring to the fact that otter has to develop an edge. If hes a losing player then he will go bust there is no way to avoid it except by applying the lessons and advice that hes given to turn himself into a winning player. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Feb 2009, 8:26pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 17 Jul 2008
Posts: 239 WPP: 53
Location: Dublin
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| Triptanes wrote: | | gl Triptens! |
FYP? |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Feb 2009, 5:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1892 WPP: 109
Location: surfing in a room
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Posted: Tue, 17 Feb 2009, 9:33pm Post subject:
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Two Pair

Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Posts: 39 WPP: 140
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haha thank you very much for the otters video. They are very interesting but they also are animals of nastiness at a times. I love animals they brighten up my day when things go bad and I have plenty of them at my farm to help with not sadening things if poker luck is bad or I play dumb.
Well all I I have played 3 hours of the 10NL and I am down by $11 all from no limit 6 max games. I just played 2 tables and I was thinking of the posts and the digest of the FTR advice. I will show you the hands that I didnt understand like someone said I should do. I find these players very bad compared to the 100NL no limit players they dont try to take hands away from you as much and are weak. The hands I lost most money where because of bad calls by me. It is hard to make a fold even when you think the other guy has a good hand. Oh and I got the holdem manager device to run on this computer to track things. It took a good long time to get it worked but now it is done and I can see a graph that is losing money downhill but this is early days. It lets me convert the hands using the FTR device so I will do this to show you and get your feel on the hands.
Ok here is the main of the bad hands from this afternoon. I was unsure of these ones.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($2.89)
CO ($9.64)
Button ($9.90)
SB ($12.48)
Hero (BB) ($12.62)
UTG ($7.59)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , 10
UTG calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises $0.45, UTG calls $0.45
Flop: ($1.15) 9 , K , J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.55, Hero raises $1.93, UTG calls $1.38
Turn: ($5.01) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises $5.21 (All-In), Hero calls $1.21
River: ($15.43) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $15.43
Results:
Hero had K , 10 (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
UTG had J , A (three of a kind, Jacks).
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($6.65)
CO ($1.44)
Button ($3.20)
SB ($8.07)
Hero (BB) ($13.61)
UTG ($15.84)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , Q
UTG raises $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises $0.90, UTG raises $2, Hero raises $13.61 (All-In), UTG calls $11.61
Flop: ($27.77) A , 4 , 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($27.77) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($27.77) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $27.77
Results:
Hero had Q , Q (two pair, Queens and fours).
UTG had K , K (two pair, Kings and fours).
Now is a bad time to play more of the 10NLs because the new horses are unset here and sad. I am going to pasture the horses for 1 hour and need to meet them with the old ones here. I will tell them of these hands from todays poker. I dont think they will know as much as you guys here at FTR!
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Posted: Thu, 19 Feb 2009, 10:46pm Post subject:
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Two Pair

Joined: 09 Feb 2009
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Today I have played 7 hours of poker and work 4 hours on the farm because of things that had to be done for days. I play 3 tables of the 10NL 6 max with no limit and won some dollars. I am up now by 28 in total. So my bankroll is 228.51 I played better today and had determine and strong feel. There was one player called scarletterman and I beat hom for 2 buyins. He was tilt and raised my big blind 5 times in a row from the small one. I finally got pokat tens and raised him and called his push. He had A5 and my hand won. Then the next hand the letterman limp in on the button and I raise with AQ and he called flop was Q 4 4 and he called my pot bet. Then I checked the turn card because I knew he was tilt and very very mad and would bet . He shoved and I called and he had A3. Hahahah the 10NL games are a funny joke.
So I played tight and the holdem manager says VPIP is 26 and PFR is 13. I think I need to make these more the same???
One other thing I have a question for how do you guys get the bars that track show the dollars in your bankroll. I see these on the posts and I wonder where they are on the web?
I am going to check on the animals and then go to bed soon. I play more tomorrow I have lots of time for poker because I did work today all that was needed.
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Posted: Sat, 21 Feb 2009, 12:06pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Posts: 659 WPP: 86
Location: Norway
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Going down from 100NL to 10NL takes some time for acclimatizing.
I did a 20NL experiment some days ago, and I quickly realized I had to change my game to some extents.
Players at micro can be divided into two groups.
1. Wannabees. These guys have started their journey to greatness. They are serious and try to play TAG. However, since they do not like to gamble- their game often turns into Tight/weak. These are the players we need to respect when they bet.
2. Failures. Failures are losers in poker. They have little knowledge about the game and have unrealistic expectations. Failures have glaring weaknesses which should be easy to exploit once you spot them.
At micros- people 3-bet a tighter range than in 100NL. In QQ hand we should be very wary about UTG. He 4 bets you- this is usually incredible strong if player is a Wannabe. 5 betting here is intrinsically not wrong- because a lot of fish calls with much worse.
I usually never fold QQ in 6-max. My thinking is that unless I have good reasons to fold I push.
KT hand is fine IMO. I especially like your flop play. This was brilliant, because it misrepresents your hand and makes it look like a draw. Gives you extra value on turn. There is no way you can check/fold or bet/fold turn so well played.
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Posted: Tue, 24 Feb 2009, 10:35am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 813 WPP: 69
Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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The rest of FTR and I want more updates!
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Posted: Tue, 24 Feb 2009, 10:56am Post subject:
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Season III

Joined: 20 Aug 2005
Posts: 1779 WPP: 124
Location: Winning 1 of 1 games
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| Your VPIP is too high compared to your PFR. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 12:39am Post subject:
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LIVEBOON

Joined: 02 Mar 2004
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Location: Indiana
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| How are your animals doing, and how is your operation going? |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 5:20pm Post subject:
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LIVEBOON

Joined: 02 Mar 2004
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Location: Indiana
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| Ha posting this right before I went to bed actually made me have a dream I had a pet otter that swam in a river by my house. In my dream I kept buying minnows from the bait store and I'd throw them in the water to get his attention then he would jump out and I'd carry him around and show people. Pretty weird. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 5:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1892 WPP: 109
Location: surfing in a room
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| BoondockSaint wrote: | | Ha posting this right before I went to bed actually made me have a dream I had a pet otter that swam in a river by my house. In my dream I kept buying minnows from the bait store and I'd throw them in the water to get his attention then he would jump out and I'd carry him around and show people. Pretty weird. |
This made me lol pretty hard. Going to bed now, Iīll post results tomorrow. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 9:02pm Post subject:
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LIVEBOON

Joined: 02 Mar 2004
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Location: Indiana
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| XTR1000 wrote: | | BoondockSaint wrote: | | Ha posting this right before I went to bed actually made me have a dream I had a pet otter that swam in a river by my house. In my dream I kept buying minnows from the bait store and I'd throw them in the water to get his attention then he would jump out and I'd carry him around and show people. Pretty weird. |
This made me lol pretty hard. Going to bed now, Iīll post results tomorrow. |
lol. Good luck. It was actually a pretty cool dream overall. You won't be disappointed if you have one too  |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 2009, 8:44pm Post subject:
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Two Pair

Joined: 09 Feb 2009
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Hai everyone I am back to FTR. I have not been playing many hands of poker recently because I learning better English and expanding my Farm. You see the old man from the other farm next to the nearby my farm has died. Now he is dead I bought his land from his daughter and am ordering lots of new animals to pasture on it. Because the summer has been bery long and hard and there was not as much moisture as we had expected on the news.
I went back to the Poker Stars and added $6000. I will be playing 600NL no limit because it is too boring to play the 10NL no limit games. I have lots of extra money from winning cattle competions in the summer and feel good about life and my properities (I am not sure if I should say prosperities or properties they were smudged together in the dictionary.
I will be playing a tight game and only raising the premium hands.
Please don't be scolding at me FTR for playing the higher games. I can't play the lower one because it is bad for my development as player.
I will let you know how my progress is good. And thankyou for not deleting my thread OP because it hasn't been a short time I have vacated the FTR for. My english will hopefully be improving as well and I will be able to understand more of you people. I leanred about the participles today in my class. One of the men in my class doesn't like me and shouted at my face because I was making animal noises because I felt worried and anxiety.
Hope to see you all soon here.
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Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 2009, 9:08pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 1437 WPP: 99
Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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LOL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
INB4ROBUSTO! |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 2009, 11:42pm Post subject:
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Flush

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Posted: Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 2:05am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Oct 2008
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Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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| I dun care, i luz his avatar! |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 10:34am Post subject:
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Eats babies

Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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| This is going to be the experiment many noobs have asked about, "move up where they respect the raises" could be an interesting read. What's going to be interesting is how OP plans to beat $600NL without ever playing there with 10 BI's |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 11:52am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
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| Can we interest you in werewolf ? |
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