Operation STOP SUCKING AT POKER ! ! ! !

Didn't have much time to read Robb's post so not sure if he already said this but table selecting even at microstakes is very profitable, at least in 6 max. Watch TJ's video where he table selects. Basically what I use and works real well. Isolate the crap out of stations with good hands and just value town them incredibly.

Thanks guys.
Only thing you didnt say was how you mix the two up Robb.
Do you play just 6 max , then switch to FR or do you play them both at the same time? Im thinking of maybe playing FR one day and 6 max the next, or switching each session.
Kind of unimportant i guess.
On another note i actually had a decent session.
Even though it was 2NL 6 max.

Filly made some progress today.
Thanks to XTR and Muzz for sweating me for a bit today.
I finished up 3+ buy ins playing both FR and 6 max.
I started at 2NL and moved to 5 once i got it goin.
Didnt really do that much different. Which gives me a more positive outlook and makes me think that a lot of it could be varience.
Although one day does not make everything all better, it is a step in the right direction.

A hand i need help with.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/hand-help-please-t68543.html#657843

*Last edited by wesrman on Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 6:44pm; edited 2 times in total*

Session 1.
Played a short 6 max session and finished up 3 Buy Ins in 600 hands.
I ran real good and didnt play too bad.

I played some heads up today and totally owned one guy.
Which was fun obv.
It was especially good beacause it was great for my confidense,
and got my session going in a good direction.
http://weaktight.com/131423
http://weaktight.com/131553

No reads on this guy, only 18 hands.
http://weaktight.com/131477

Opponent is 51/0/.89 in 61 hands.
http://weaktight.com/131548

http://weaktight.com/131549

EDIT:
Session 2.
Played another short session 329 hands, and up another 2 buy ins.
So up 5 buy ins for the day playing short handed.
Just what i needed.
Im running 16.5/12.4/3.4 so far but thats a very small sample size.
The short handed has been really fun and a good change of pace, but i want to make sure i dont neglect full ring. I would like to become a good player at both.

I also played in a feeroll satelite to the daily 50K. What a donkfest it is.
I busted out 1129 of 10 000. Im considering playing it on a semi regular basis as a bit of a change of pace and just a shot in the dark.
Even though it sucks, and i dont like tourneys, it would be nice to be able to cash in the Daily 50K.
Something to think about anyway.

PROP BET ! ! ! !
March 15th.
ME
VS.
PROZACH
First to $500
My roll: $226.89
Prozachs roll: $291.70
ODDS:
$20 to me if i win.
$15 to Prozach if he wins.
Stipulation: Loser doesnt pay unti he hits the $500 mark.
GOGOGOGO

*Last edited by wesrman on Sun, 16 Mar 2008, 8:28pm; edited 5 times in total*

Session 1.
Short Handed.
1180 hands, and down about $1.
Played decent but made a few dumb calls, that cost me some profit.

1.
Good fold???
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4.08)
UTG+1 ($8.21)
CO ($1.13)
Hero ($10.73)
SB ($9.88)
BB ($4.40)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN Three of Clubs

UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.1, UTG+1 calls $0.1, CO calls $0.1, Hero calls $0.1, SB calls $0.1

Flop: Four of Clubs

($0.9, 6 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75, 2 folds, CO goes all-in $0.98, Hero calls $0.98, SB calls $0.23, BB calls $0.23

Turn: Ten of Spades

($4.82, 4 players)
SB bets $3, BB goes all-in $3.27, Hero folds, SB calls $0.27

2.
Opponenets are unknown.
Any good reason to raise the river??
http://weaktight.com/131862

3.
This guy showed a bluff and i told him that hes my hero.
Then i owned him. PWWWWN.
http://weaktight.com/131872

EDIT:
Session 2 Short Handed
Played like 660 more hands, with some HU.
Basically played decent but lost a few AIs that hurt.
Finished just a little under Break Even for the day in 1700 or so hands.

4.
PWWWWWN.
http://weaktight.com/132026

Hand 1 is a good fold, standard but you probably should have gotten away on the flop. You really only beat an overpair, and while one of them probably has an overpair its very likely another has a set/ 56 or A5

Hand 1: I think I am usually either folding or shoving flop, I don't like calling because not much is going to improve you but there are cards to improve others. I am usually folding flop tho.
By the turn you are getting pretty decent odds to call, but yeah I think a fold is better.

Hand 2: I like raising pocket pairs pre. Usually I am gona fold here on river. Maybe bet flop with only one person left to act behind.

Hand 3: yay

Session 1.
Played 674 hands of FR and up 5 BIs.
This puts me at $250, which is enough for another shot at $10NL.
I think im gonna start with 6 max though.

Give 'em hell, Wes

Well that was fun.
Back down to $200, and 5NL.
Couldnt get anything going, got sucked out on a few times,
and tilted off a couple BIs. Oh well, no big deal.
I suck.

After sweating you for a little bit and then playing with you for a little bit you play fine but you need to loosen up a little, not a lot but a little.
9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

Played both 6 max and FR today and im up 5BIs for the day.
That puts me at $238.42.
Almost enough for another shot.
Im actually thinking about starting tomorrow at $10NL even though im $11 under.
I dont really like moving up based on a number,
but i think if i can not make dumb calls and run ok ill do well at 10NL.
The problem is that i havent done either in my 2 shots.

I like this attitude, wes, as long as you keep the strict stop-loss in place. You know you can pwn 5nl for some BI when needed. If you feel confident about what needs to happen at 10nl, then make your move. I've been strugglin' a bit with life and 25nl, myself. I think its easy to forget we're all noobies learnin' this game, and we all have doubts and downswings. You're there man, just waiting for the results to catch up to ya. Good luck!!

Today went well.
I moved up to $10NL and went from to $239 from $276.
I feel like i played well and ran decent at the same time.
Also i was able to lay down a few hands that i would have called in the past. I think it saved me some money.
It was fairly obvious that i was beat,
but i didnt allow myself to justify a call.
Also i put more effort into concentrating on each hand.
Taking it one hand at a time and forgetting the past is something
i need to work on.

Dropped 2 BIs yesterday after starting the day up a BI.
But i didnt start to spew, which was good.

Today session 1
Up 1 BI to $266.
Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

Opponent(BUTTON) was 78/0/1.
I cant explain all of the action at the table now.
It was based on how bad he was basically. The whole table was bad.
There were 2 callers at least in every hand and they seem to call a bet or two no matter what.
He had shown down with garbage before a few times and we had a little bit of a battle going on. He thought i was weak because i folded a bunch of times to his bullshit.
Basically he lead me to believe that he wouldnt ever fold to anything and was capable of this kind of bluff with air or bottom pair.
Most hands went like this:
player one raises, he calls
player one bets flop, he calls
player one checks turn,he bets large ,player one folds
Some of this may be irrelevant, and i know under most circumstances its played bad but i thought it was a perfect spot for him to bluff.
And once the BB folded (who was the guy i was more worried about/although i thought his weak ass turn bet was just a stab to take down the pot) i thought i had him.
It seemed unlikely that hes shoving an ace there.
Theres so much that i beat in his range, that ever folding to him seems like a mistake..lol. Especially because hes only 50 BB deep. So it doesnt cost me that much if im wrong, and gives me information for the future.
If he has the nuts, im sure he value bets cuz he knows i can make laydowns and this kind of bet is sure to get me to fold.
Without a read that he shoves with a big hand, i think it looks like a bluff.

Hopefully this is coherrant...lol
Im really tired and drugged up on allergy pills.
If you ask specific questions K, i might be able to answer them better.
Feel free to pick this apart. I will be.
Thanks for taking an interest anyway.

Heres the hand just incase.
Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

Back down to $235.
Wow, i cant seem to get anything going.
Its like everyone can see my cards.
When i get a hand i either get no action or this happens.
http://weaktight.com/137923

Trying to be patient and play well, but im thinking about dropping back down again. I really think that i only win money when i run good and people spew at me. AND ITS SOOOO RARE THAT I DONT RUN LIKE FUCKING DOG SHIT.

http://weaktight.com/137919
http://weaktight.com/137870

Nice analysis. I agreed wtih your line, just wanted to hear your reasonings.

Last 3 hands suck as you already know. Not much I can say except keep playing because you will make a lot of money on those hands in the long run.

Ya i posted them cuz im a baby.
I cant seem to not get brutally unlucky when i move up.
I dont know what to do really.
Its too soon to move down,
but if i dont it will take way more time to build back up.
Idk. Gonna go do some cardio and clear my head.

relax~!

I relaxed.
Came back played another 300 hands.
Played well, then got it all in with QQ and ran into KK.
$15 more down the toilet.
I HAVE TO STOP GETTING IT ALL IN PRE FLOP WITH QQ
and to a lesser extent KK.
Its killing me.
Sickest part is that i wouldnt have gotten away from it anyway cuz the flop came KQX.
Set over set.
$224.
Back to 5NL.

Gonna eat and then play 5NL after dinner.
Im not gonna move up to 10NL until i get to $275 at least, maybe $300 or more. I have to get better at poker so when i get unlucky it doesnt cost me all of my winnings.
Also im forfeiting my prop bet with Prozach.
I will pay when i hit $500, but ive got to stop pressuring myself to move up. Its not helping at all.

Those are good points.
I think i should probably stick to my $200 drop down strategy this time though. Its a cop out to drop down now i think. I have 2 1/2 more buy ins to lose before i HAVE to drop down, and theres no saying that i wont win some and not have to.
However, if i hit the $200 mark i will force myself to have $275-$300 before i move up next time.
The problem is that i need more room to run bad before having to move down. 5 buy ins isnt that horrible of a run, and i seem to get down that much quite a bit, before turning it around.
Also i feel that the not shoving with QQ pre flop should help a lot.
So ill continue at 10 for tonight (or until i hit $200) and see how it goes.

I need to learn to controll my emotions better.
I feel like i play good all day and then i get a few hands that put me in the hole. At least i took a break each time and didnt tilt off a bunch of money...lol.
So i write in here how im feeling so i can look back at it and get a better percpective on whats going on. Sorry if im a whiner, but i really want to improve and sometimes i put too much pressure on myself instead of just playing.

I droped 4 buyins in 200 hands a night ago, it was fun.

It happens just keep positive.

LOL, that went badly and i ended up tilting off another buy in after getting raped again.

$195 again.
Im gonna have to figure some shit out.
Cuz what ever im doing isnt working.
Maybe i need a break.
Ive even considered starting from scratch again at 2NL with $50.
Thats probably too drastic, and i doubt i would learn much at 2NL that i cant learn at 5NL.
So ill go with my plan of grinding 5NL until i get to between $275 and $300 at least. Ill decide when to move up based on how im doing. This will give me more of a cushion incase things dont go well.
Which is what i should have been doing in the first place.
{acronym Renton hates}

2NL is far to drastic.

Drop back to 5NL, plug some leaks and youll be fine.
The most important tool in microstakes is discipline.

I don't know if this'll help but what I do sometimes is boot up PokerStove and actually plug in the hands that have kicked me in the bollocks. I work my way through each street to just show my tilting brain exactly how ahead I was. This focuses me on the long term in regards to how I played and how much I should want to be in that situation again and again.

If you're not ready to lose with Aces 20% of the time, you'll be in trouble mentally before too long.

i'll pm u

Lol, im fine. Im just too emotional and learning to controll my emotions is a HUGE part of the process of learning poker. I post my honest emotions here so i can look back and learn from it. Poker takes hard work and determination and learning these skills is what is going to make me a good player. I just have to remember that The Journey Is As Important As The destination. If i didnt have struggles i probably wouldnt learn as much and improving is whats important. If i improve, the money will follow.

WOW, i played a small session of Stud and Stud 8 today with XTR and i forgot how much i enjoy it. Originally my plan was to play both nlhe and stud 8 to build my roll, but i realized that im so bad at nlhe that i needed to concentrate on it for a while. Im still horrible, but i think im on my way to becoming decent (i hope). So im gonna start mixing in some Stud and Stud 8 again. Im hoping it will give me a fresh take on poker, and since i enjoy it the most, will make it more fun for me. I seem to do well in it so i hope it will boost my bankroll too.
I feel like Stud 8 is my best game and i can do ok at it while still learning NLHE. Ill start at .10/.20 for Stud 8 and progress slowly back up to .25/.50 (where i was before) and beyond. For Stud hi im going to start at .04/.08 since i havent put as much time into it.

Up a few more buy ins from my 5NLHE session today and $5 from my Stud session (.04/.08). So im at $242 right now and im going to play another few hours tonight. Probably Stud.[/b]

*Last edited by wesrman on Wed, 26 Mar 2008, 10:28pm; edited 1 time in total*

NLHE
1600 hands and down a buy in or two.
Should i c/r this river or is betting out ok???
http://weaktight.com/142711

I play bad..lol. What line should i have taken??
http://weaktight.com/142718

Stud 8
Scoooooooooop.
PokerStars Game #16275574416: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.10/$0.20) - 2008/03/26 - 20:59:15 (ET)
Table 'Gelria IV' 8-max
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to DrDave6 [8 Spade

]
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4 Spade

]
Dealt to denny125 [3 Club

]
Dealt to wesrman [A Spade

6

4

]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K Diamond

]
Dealt to WTxJack [5 Club

]
Dealt to Farukter [6 Diamond

]
Dealt to bubbasway12 [Q Heart

]
denny125: brings in for $0.05
wesrman: raises $0.05 to $0.10
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.10
WTxJack: folds
Farukter: calls $0.10
bubbasway12: folds
DrDave6: folds
whisky 2010: calls $0.10
denny125: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4 Spade

] [9

]
Dealt to wesrman [A Spade

6

4

] [5

]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K Diamond

] [5

]
Dealt to Farukter [6 Diamond

] [T

]
denny125 is sitting out
TaLkHoUsE: checks
Farukter: checks
whisky 2010: checks
wesrman: bets $0.10
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.10
Farukter: calls $0.10
whisky 2010: calls $0.10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4 Spade

9

] [7

]
Dealt to wesrman [A Spade

6

4

5

] [A

]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K Diamond

5

] [K

]
Dealt to Farukter [6 Diamond

T

] [6

]
TaLkHoUsE: bets $0.20
Farukter: folds
whisky 2010: folds
wesrman: raises $0.20 to $0.40
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to wesrman [A Spade

6

4

5

A

] [4

]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K Diamond

5

K

] [2

]
TaLkHoUsE: checks
wesrman: bets $0.20
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to wesrman [A Spade

6

4

5

A

4

] [3

]
TaLkHoUsE: checks
wesrman: bets $0.20
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wesrman: shows [A Spade

6

4

5

A

4

3

] (HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
TaLkHoUsE: mucks hand
wesrman collected $1.25 from pot
wesrman collected $1.24 from pot
TaLkHoUsE said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.61 | Rake $0.12
Seat 1: DrDave6 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: whisky 2010 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 3: denny125 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 4: wesrman showed [A Spade

6

4

5

A

4

3

] and won ($2.49) with HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,5,4,3,A
Seat 5: TaLkHoUsE mucked [A Heart

7

K

5

K

2

6

]
Seat 6: WTxJack folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Farukter folded on the 5th Street
Seat 8: bubbasway12 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

NLHE hands.

1) I would just lead out $1.5-$2 unless I have a read that he vbets fairly wide on the river.Problem with c/r is he is likely to bet something lame like $0.8 then fold to your raise when he would have called a psb in the first place.

2) Raise pre you don't want 4-way with your jacks and there's a nice load of money out there. As played raise flop more (always remember to look at the size of the pot not opps bet, your raise gave really good odds for a FD.) then with the d out you have to shove the turn. On a non-d turn I might find a c/f depending on opp, but then I'd never be in this situation since it's sucha clear raise pre.

Thanks Badgers, good stuff.

Hand 1. Thanks, i never seem to get value either way..lol.

Hand 2. I know it was a retard move by just calling pre flop. I just posted it to show myself how bad i play. :p But i like the advice about raising according to the pot as apposed to his bet. How much should i raise there?

1) Standard
2) Like I mentioned in another thread, do not be insulted when I say.... At this level. Because At this level, the average player is a donkey compared to the average level above it. Anyways, At this level, I'm stacking off with TPTK in this situation. One day you'll need to fold in this spot.

Maybe I'm wrong and underestimating players at this level these days.... maybe they have a better hand most of the time in these spots. You'd know better than I would. Do they? If so or if not, this decision should be easy.

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