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Posted: Sat, 21 Apr 2007, 5:42am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
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WPP: 95
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Thats a slippery slope mate.
Dont play drunk. |
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Posted: Sat, 21 Apr 2007, 8:40am Post subject:
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Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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| bet you dont win next time. |
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Posted: Sat, 21 Apr 2007, 1:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Gee thanks for the encouragement you guys 
I agree, I probably won't win next time. That's the pisser about $100nl - you just can't rely on winning more often than losing any more. |
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Posted: Mon, 23 Apr 2007, 1:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Heh - I actually did win next time, $156 in 150 hands (set vs top two, and an heroic call with TPWK on the river vs a tricky lagg). I'm sure as soon as I can put a proper session together, I'll get pwned and hand back the whole $450. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Apr 2007, 5:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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(just an addendum form the previous post - I was almost right, losing $304 in my next proper session. Lol varianceaments)
I have only played about 2500 hands in the last two weeks, but tonight I finally completed the final quarter of my $400 worth of Bonus so I decided to quit while slightly ahead (I was up $111 for the session - some amusing hands I may post here).
Anyway, here's my monthly graph. Swingy and dispiriting, but there is a vague upwards trend. Only about 1000 of the hands weren't 6max $100nl, and indeed had I not played those ones, my ptbb/100 would have been almost twice as high (2.9 instead of 1.5).
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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After a few relatively calm sessions round the turn of the month, I bring you today and yesterday. Down $460 in just over 1,000 hands, and while luck was seldom on my side, I played badly, possibly tiltilty (ha, who am I kidding), and definitely recklessly. So, I'm going to go through all my big losing hands (and, I should add, these "big losers" are the $20 here, $25 here type, rather than stackings, of which there were almost none - apart from the first hand, below) and post them for comment. I will add thoughts of my own where applicable. Where I just got unlucky, or played ultra-standard, I won't post the hand.
Please, if you can, disregard the fact they're losing hands, and tell me what you think I was doing wrong.
Hand 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed
StacksUTG: $134.50
Hero: $89.25
BTN: $98.50
SB: $109.25
BB: $77.25
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J Q
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($9.50) 5 7 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $18, Hero raises to $85.25 and is all-in, BTN calls
Turn:($187.00) 4 (2 players)
River:($187.00) A (2 players)
Final Pot: $187.00
So, this is the big bluff. I was talking to Pelion about overbet bluffs, but I think I may have got the wrong end of the stick... I have been thinking about this hand and I don't hate my move. Bear in mind my cbets were getting raised A LOT. The villain is a quiet TAG (22/13 after only 59 hands), and I didn't put him on a set (I just don't think he's likely to raise) or a high PP. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:25am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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My second biggest loser. Can/should I get away from this? I expect I should, but two pair at 6max, when he could have an ace...
Hand 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksCO: $43
BTN: $30
Hero: $97.50
BB: $126.50
UTG: $100
UTG+1: $138.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J T
UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls
Flop:($8.50) J 8 A (3 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls
Turn:($18.50) T (3 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, Hero calls
River:($66.50) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $25, Hero calls
Final Pot: $116.50 |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:36am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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This hand is all too typical of where my money goes. Now, normally I'd be more careful with TPGK, but the villain is a 50/6 who has been beating me on EVERY hand, showing down better when we reach the river, and betting/raising me when I am weak. He's not afraid to showdown light, either, but I haven't caught him bluffing as such. I am definitely tilting a bit here - he went from $15 to $125, mostly thanks to me, and my god, it did my head in.
Hand 3
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksUTG+1: $105.75
CO: $79.14
BTN: $64.50
Hero: $102
BB: $51.75
UTG: $67.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q K
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls, CO calls
Flop:($12.50) Q J 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $8, BB folds, CO raises to $16, Hero calls
Turn:($44.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $19, Hero calls
River:($82.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $35, Hero folds, CO doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $82.50 |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:41am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Just a really bad place to bluff? I can't think of any justifications for this hand, except that I wasn't firing any triple barrels and felt too "foldy". Man I am bad at poker.
Hand 4
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed
StacksHero: $119.53
BB: $107.75
UTG: $105
CO: $46.25
BTN: $105.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 3 3
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls
Flop:($6.50) 5 9 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero calls
Turn:($14.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $9, BB calls
River:($32.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, BB calls
Final Pot: $74.50 |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:43am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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This too seems inexcusable - just a bad bad place to try my luck.
Hand 5
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
4-handed
StacksSB: $100.50
Hero: $123.25
CO: $109.75
BTN: $77.25
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 8 7
CO folds, BTN folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls
Flop:($6.50) Q 8 5 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls
Turn:($14.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero raises to $25, SB calls
River:($64.50) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $39, Hero folds, SB doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $64.50 |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 10:45am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Man it's depressing posting these - I'm going to stop, I think. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 11:09am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| ugh horrible stuff man. i dont like alot of plays esp given some opp types. theres little need to get a fancy fancy at 100NL IMO. i know 9man tables are super tight at cryptostars, are 6max tight too? |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 11:20am Post subject:
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Ok Mr B. You really don't NEED anybody to tell you why any of these hands are bad do you. You KNOW why they are bad. First, you identified them as being bad. It is good to post your appalling efforts in order to shame yourself in to playing better - but realistically, you are a good player, you know your stuff, and you should reply to all of your own hand histories and say what you did wrong.
If I were to post hand histories on here for somebody to analyse, your opinion is one of those I would certainly respect. You need to take some of your poker knowledge and apply it to your own playing - my general feeling is that you're becoming a bit complacent. Yes, you ARE good, but that doesn't give you the right to win every hand. You have to keep playing well and not rely on historical results and think "hey, I'm good, I SHOULD have won - don't they know who I am??".
Analyse every hand WHILST YOU ARE PLAYING IT. Think to yourself - if I made that move and had to post my HH on FTR, would I be embarrassed? Would I cringe? You know what's right and wrong mate - just start applying your knowledge again  |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 11:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Hello Stan. Going to start posting again? |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 12:43pm Post subject:
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Nope, never. (Oh, bugger...).
Can I assume that your TOTAL AVOIDANCE of the content of my last post means you are dwelling in your self pity and are refusing to admit you know I'm right? |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 1:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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No. I understnd what you're saying, and I need to consider all that should I play again. My problem, I think, is that I'm slipping into a defensive/tilty mindset and ened to extricate myself. I have recently been reading and talking about concepts I've previously not understood - pot control, how to play marginal hands, how to overbet etc. - and I understand them but until they become second nature I am getting confused, I think.
Can I ask you - and anyone else - how they would have played hand 3, above? |
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Posted: Wed, 09 May 2007, 2:20pm Post subject:
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Hand 3 - I would have played the same as you with the following exceptions;
1) I would have taken a stand on the turn. Either raise or fold rather than flat call, try and gain a bit more info or get the upper hand and become the aggressor.
2) I would DEFINITELY have called this river bet. Not raised, but definitely called especially considering the info you had on him. If he was a TAGG Id be assuming AK or a set here and folding (probably on the turn), but to get this far and then fold just doesn't seem right...
PS - just noticed on hand 3 you were only 4-handed. This lowers his starting hands even more. Sure, he could have TPTK, a set, two pair ... but I think your main problem is that flat calling is screaming "I am weak" to him and giving him the chance to bully you off at the river with a decent bet. I still think a turn raise would be the best play here, and if you get a reraise back at you, there is your easy fold. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 12:00pm Post subject: Jesus what a donk, or, how not to play QQ
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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This was an early hand in today's session. I am a screaming donk, and a lucky, lucky one
Hand 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic (£50NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksUTG: £50.77
UTG+1: £54.65
CO: £52.55
BTN: £98.40
Hero: £56.25
BB: £3.96
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to £2, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to £6, BB is all-in £3.46, UTG+1 calls
Flop:(£16.21) T J 7 (3 players)
Hero bets £12, UTG+1 raises to £48.65 and is all-in, Hero calls
Turn:(£113.51) 9 (3 players)
River:(£113.51) K (3 players)
Final Pot: £113.51
Villain has TT 
Tight/weak ftl 
Hand 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed
StacksUTG: $86.13
CO: $155.25
Hero: $104
SB: $95
BB: $105
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls, BB folds
Flop:($9.00) 9 5 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $13, Hero folds, SB doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $21.00
I didn't take leave of my senses, honest - it was a sodding misclick. I almost cried, esp. when the dude confirmed he'd just been stealing. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 12:24pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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However, I am up $407 today, which almost covers the last couple of day's losses. Sigh. Some luck, lots of good cards, and a dearth of good laggy opponents - I managed to get into the zone fairly swiftly, and there were no big losses to tilt me out of it.
There was a fun 30 seconds where my flopped straight ended up splitting, I made trips under trips and 2 pair under 2 pair, but none was for a huge pot so hey. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 7:28pm Post subject:
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| Nice work. So... why the "sigh"?? |
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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 7:40pm Post subject:
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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The sigh was because I have a heater like this and it still doesn't cover my losses. Also, academically, but still annoyingly, I took my big hits at $100 and made most of my winnings at $50 and £50, so my battle to pwn $100nl suffered a hell of a setback - I am back to being an all-time loser at that level.
But yeah, today was great, I shouldn't sigh. I also had my second biggest pot ever in terms of net return (bear in mind it's £50NL so basically double the cash values for $ equivalent):
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic (£50NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksBTN: £34.90
SB: £98.90
Hero: £76.95
UTG: £21.78
UTG+1: £51.80
CO: £49.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A A
UTG raises to £3, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero raises to £7, UTG calls, SB calls
Flop:(£21.50) 8 3 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets £15, UTG is all-in £14.78, SB calls
Turn:(£66.28) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets £54.95 and is all-in, SB calls
River:(£176.18) 6 (3 players)
Final Pot: £176.18
UTG has JJ
SB has KK
:ship it: |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 9:22am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Hello.
Still only played 4,500 hands this month - in fact, in the last 5 weeks I have only played 7k hands! That's not very good. I'm playing less when my gf's around, and she seems to be going to bed later
Fwiw, there's nothing really to report. Since my U-shaped period last week I have played a few hundred hands, done okay with very little to cheer or cry over. Indeed, I am possibly playing TOO safe right now - 570 hands last night and not a single stacking, good or bad. My monthly ptbb/100 is an understatedly acceptable 3.01, though tbh that's a weeny bit disappointing, since I was pwning £50nl (same monetary value) for 6.3ptbb/100 long term.
More fun was had last night with my first shot at, and first win*, in a Stars $16 turbo SNG. I really like the pacing - I usually play Party turbos but they are a wee bit speedy for me (not always a bad thing, since I only really play them for fun/because of time constraints), whereas these are a little more gentle but still better than the interminable schlep that is the Stars regular SNG.
The tables still have one fewer fish than Party, but I guess I can live with that if the speed benefits are substantial enough.
*pushed HU with KJo, called by AA, board KxxJJ. Nice. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 4:14pm Post subject:
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Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| biondino wrote: | Okay, here's a typical bluff attempt. As you can see, I had no intentions at any point to do anything beyond bluffing. Tell me why this is wrong:
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($NL)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed
StacksSB: $58.83
Hero: $84.25
UTG: $117.50
CO: $139.82
BTN: $99.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 5 A
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB raises to $2, Hero calls
Flop:($4.50) 9 J 3 (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls
Turn:($14.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises to $21, SB raises to $51.83 and is all-in, Hero folds, SB doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $64.50
This hand - not technically a blind steal as I had a top 25% hand - should I have slowed down earlier? Should I have bet the river? Villain 15/6/0.6 and played hard when he played:
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksBTN: $52.08
Hero: $103.25
BB: $97.50
UTG: $151.82
UTG+1: $159.50
CO: $98.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K T
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls
Flop:($8.50) K 3 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls
Turn:($18.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB calls
River:($42.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Final Pot: $42.50 |
I think #1 is played well - Obviously we are Lagging it up a bit, but if villain has AK or AQ he is going to be folding to the turn raise - This time he had the goods and you folded - I think that is a great play...
hand 2 looks good - When your playing 5 max or 6max you need to bet your Top Pairs fairly strong...you were able to check down the river as obv. that card sucked...
both these plays seem good to me - Maybe you are just beating yourself up too much?
The next hand (different post) I would just say lead out when you hit top pair - The nice thing about a flop like that is that they aren't really suspecting you of raising with A6 - Course the bad thing is the super coordinated board so you don't want to go nuts - but I lead there assuming i've got the best hand until they play back stronger - |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 4:36pm Post subject:
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Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| biondino wrote: | | Hilarious night last night. After the gf went to bed, I decided, possibly unwisely, to play some $100 a bit tipsy. I only managed to play 42 hands; however, I did finish up $294 |
don't play drunk is standard advice - I have to say it sounds like you need some release though and maybe you should do this once in awhile. I think you are playing the hands very well, unless you want to be a total Nit and fold anytime there is a Possible better hand...The only semi mistake hand that stood out was the 2 pair on the flush board - I still think you played it well - The flop check raise was great - After that, i'm guessing someone has the flush and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible....Otherwise, it looks like your playing very well -
I will give some probably dumb advice, but it seems everything is going well and maybe you are just expecting different results? Like when I look at your PTBB they are reasonable - not conquer the world amazing, but solid win rates - yet you are beating yourself up on every single post - maybe take a week off and come back refreshed. Or set a new goal of possibly moving to 200NL? Maybe play some more tourneys?
im no expert by any means, it just sounds to me like maybe you are in too much of a routine - Maybe you are sitting down expecting everything to flow easily every single session. It is hard when you know you are playing well and still just can't win as much as you think you should be - but maybe you are expecting everything to just flood in immediately...cheezy poker advice i know - sorry |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 5:54pm Post subject:
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Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Hi Limpin,
Thanks for the excellent posts - exactly what I'm looking for on this thread! The compliments don't hurt either
Of course, you're right about me overreacting to negative results and bad beats, but I also see it as part venting, part a genuine attempt to conquer leaks, so I hope you don't mind reading it.
As for my expectations - I think in the past I have been spoiled, and as a result I find it quite hard to deal with a) a much lower win rate - I am literally taking home a good deal less profit than I was at £25NL and FAR less than ant £50 - and b) a lot more swings. I had losing sessions at lower levels, but my ptbb was that much better that I could realistically expect, more often than not, to win. So it's coping with this that's the issue really.
And following on from that, I don't think I'll be moving up to $200 for a LONG time (though I have sort of started wanting to take shots - though I'll have to be in a VERY comfortable mental space to do so) because the issues I am having at $100 will be exponentially greater.
Poker is a hobby for me and I never want it to eb anything else. I have already put a certain amount of pressure on myself because, now I've proved I can make healthy sums, I feel like I *have* to play for this reason, not just for fun and pocket money. I'm not playing scared , I'm playing obligated. Which isn't a great way to play. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 6:03pm Post subject:
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| i don't mind reading it at all, and i understand just what you mean - |
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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So a poor weekend - down $315 in about 850 hands. Sadly, as I realised when I went through my hand histories, a few of these losses were hands simply played badly, no excuses. It wasn't tilt, either, just a fundamental misunderstanding of pretty fundamental Poker Strategy. I'm not going to post the two hands in question, but they are BOTH me betting hard on the river with third pair into sets. Really bad, and both cost me exactly half a stack (I guess I should be grateful I didn't lose more than half a stack at an y time).
Tonight, I decided to play 1 table, and really concentrate. It started poorly; my play was fine (a bit cautious to start with, as ever), but the only good play I was able to get in were good, yet irritating, folds such as:
HAND 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
3-handed
StacksHero: $96.50
BB: $82.88
BTN: $65.85
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J J
BTN calls, Hero raises to $5, BB calls, BTN calls
Flop:($15.50) 6 K 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks
Turn:($15.50) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, BTN calls, Hero folds
River:($35.50) J (2 players)
BB checks, BTN bets $10, BB calls
Final Pot: $55.50
BTN shows A K (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
BB mucks hand Q J (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
So, I was down about $70 after maybe 35 hands, and it was all looking bleak. At least, however, I wasn't playing badly - until this hand demonstrated my river demons are alive and well:
HAND 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $99
BB: $108
UTG: $78.87
UTG+1: $178.25
CO: $85.60
BTN: $57
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J 8
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero calls, BB checks
Flop:($3.00) J 9 A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks
Turn:($3.00) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls, UTG folds
River:($7.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls
Final Pot: $13.00
Hero shows J 8 (Two Pairs, Jacks and Nines, Ace high)
BB shows 8 A (Two Pairs, Aces and Nines, Jack high) |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 8:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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However... it seems hand 2 might have worked on a meta level. The guy I lost to was to my direct left, and fancied himself as a bit of a lagg (37/13 stats if I remember rightly). He had also folded me out on two occasions with re-raises pre-flop, and clearly felt he was in control. Every sign of weakness, he pounced on. And then this happened:
HAND 3
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $97.50
BTN: $77.75
SB: $82.12
BB: $192.75
UTG: $79.60
UTG+1: $65.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J A
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls
Flop:($12.50) 7 5 Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BTN calls, BB folds
Turn:($32.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls
River:($72.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $44, BTN folds, Hero doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $72.50
I would have loved to have shown, but was auto-mucking. A bluff! On the river! That worked!! But as it happened, it didn't actually matter - same villain once again...
HAND 4
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $131.50
BTN: $40.75
SB: $83.12
BB: $188.25
UTG: $84.35
UTG+1: $64.25
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A A
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN raises to $40.75 and is all-in, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls
Flop:($83.00) 5 4 Q (2 players)
Turn:($83.00) Q (2 players)
River:($83.00) 2 (2 players)
Final Pot: $83.00
Hero shows A A
BTN shows 3 3 |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 9:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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For those who are interested - and please do comment - here are my post-flop aggression factors in all hands since I made $100nl my main game:
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 10:40am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 998
WPP: 176
Location: Sweden
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Obviously you've made some big mistakes recently, but there've been a few suckouts to go with them and you're still obviously playing good taggy stuff here and capable of putting players in tough spots.
I think your post-flop aggression is great, especially as it's clearly not robotic or anything, and so not too easy to exploit.
Okay, I think there's space to check-behind on occasion or flat-call with your showdownable hands. But I envy your aggression.
Try some more of the single-table focusing. Work on your reads and let us know how it's going because it looks good. |
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 7:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I was having a fairly shitty evening - 1 double up followed by bleeding the rest off slowly - and then this happens. Bear in mind I've been losing consistently at this table - a 4-bet pre-flop with QQ got the 3-bettor to fold and that was my biggest pot there. And then....
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
CO: $170.75
BTN: $129.25
SB: $103.25
BB: $106
UTG: $134.87
Hero: $114
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with T 7
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($9.50) 2 9 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls
Turn:($21.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls
River:($41.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $40, CO raises to $97, Hero is all-in $54
Final Pot: $229.50
Villain has, of course, QTo |
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Posted: Tue, 22 May 2007, 11:07am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 147
WPP: 85
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| You played it fine. Put him on your friends list... |
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 7:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I'm not quite tired enough to go to bed, so I'm going to look through tonight's session ($62 up! That's up, for those of you who've forgotten what the word looks like, like me) for some interesting hands. I don't think there were an awful lot...
Biggest loss - LOL. That'll teach me to pick this spot to fight back against a blind re-stealer.
HAND 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
UTG: $60
UTG+1: $19.78
CO: $94.36
BTN: $113.75
Hero: $99
BB: $45.07
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q K
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $10, Hero calls
Flop:($21.50) 8 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $35.07 and is all-in, Hero calls
Turn:($100.64) 9 (2 players)
River:($100.64) 5 (2 players)
Final Pot: $100.64
Villain has rockets.
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I'm not sure how I should have played this. Damn, position is nice, I miss it. No reads on villain. Thoughts?
HAND 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
Hero: $111
CO: $183.75
BTN: $97.50
SB: $114.78
BB: $91.50
UTG: $106.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with A K
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($9.50) 6 T A (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $18, Hero calls
Turn:($45.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
River:($45.50) 5 (2 players)
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 7:43pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Bet that set! Too linear? No reads on villain.
HAND 3
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
BB: $53.50
UTG: $32.03
UTG+1: $87
CO: $98.50
Hero: $120.50
SB: $102.14
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($7.50) 5 T 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6, UTG+1 calls
Turn:($19.50) Q (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $14, UTG+1 calls
River:($47.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $23, UTG+1 calls
Final Pot: $93.50
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I wasn't crazy about this hand; his unusual line baffled me, and the minbet/call on the flop harked back to 25NL and how donks play flush draws. As a result, no value bet on river. Also, I'm unsure about the turn bet - is this somewhere where controlling the pot would have been better, since I did have showdown value? Overall, good/bad?
HAND 4
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
SB: $99.78
BB: $28
UTG: $89
UTG+1: $101.75
Hero: $144.63
BTN: $101.12
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with T J
UTG raises to $3, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($10.50) A 9 T (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $9, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls
Turn:($28.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $19, UTG+1 calls
River:($66.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks
Final Pot: $66.50 |
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 7:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I was really annoyed with how I played this. Villain was a quality TAGG - perhaps he was simply second barrelling. Now I'll never know.
HAND 5
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
UTG+1: $80.88
CO: $105.50
Hero: $110.37
SB: $124.50
BB: $20.25
UTG: $115.02
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 5 4
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls
Flop:($12.50) Q 2 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls, BB folds
Turn:($28.50) A (2 players)
UTG bets $16, Hero raises to $32, UTG folds, Hero doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $60.50
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Not much of a hand really, but felt great to make a thin call against a quality LAGG. Feels great when a read comes off.
HAND 6
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($198.55)
Hero ($99.50)
SB ($112.10)
BB ($100.70)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 8 .
UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.
Flop: ($9.50) 2, J , 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7.
Turn: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($23.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15.
Final Pot: $53.50
Results in white below:
UTG has Ac Ks (high card, ace).
Hero has 8h 8c (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $53.50. |
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Posted: Sat, 26 May 2007, 8:52pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Hola,
Quickly posting while running acceptable. Made 2 buyins today (man, how enormous that seems now, and how crappy it would have seemed before) in 1,100 hands, 300 or so of which were at PokerRoom's 5max tables. There's a strong argument for playing 5max - most people don't ramp up the aggression enough.
I have, slightly to my shame, played a few hundred hands of $50NL lately. It's a confidence, thing, really - less chance of losing a lot of cash and a slightly higher chance o pwning the opposition. And, I think, it's worked - I played well, made a few bucks, and have been handling the $100NL tables just fine, prudently and non-spewily.
In fact, my biggest problem tonight has been overplaying big hands. I have a mindset that says I *must* raise the flop or turn if I have a set or better; yet tonight I scared off aggressive villains on the turn both times I made a monster. Maybe they were bluffing and I wasn't getting a penny more, I dunno. But I am sure I was showing far too much strength and I paid for it.
Here's an example - note our stack sizes. I guess I *needed* raises to get a decent pot going, but is it bad?
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
UTG: $108.75
UTG+1: $95.50
CO: $37.39
Hero: $204.26
SB: $240.98
BB: $38.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with A 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls, BB folds
Flop:($9.00) 9 Q 9 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls
Turn:($17.00) A (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, Hero doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $33.00 |
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Posted: Sun, 27 May 2007, 9:41am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 3:12am Post subject:
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Life Donk
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 1710
WPP: 93
Location: running with scissors
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| biondino wrote: | | as a result I find it quite hard to deal with a) a much lower win rate - I am literally taking home a good deal less profit than I was at £25NL and FAR less than ant £50 - and b) a lot more swings. | This is me at 2/4 vs 3/6 and 5/10. My $/hr is higher, the variance is lower and most importantly the mental stress level is near-zero. I do think that taking shots at higher stakes will be more +EV in the long term if you can learn how to beat them, but for now I'm very happy staying at 2/4 and making more money while having more fun. Ironically, I was one of the people who tried to push you into moving up, and here I am telling you that there's no shame in staying at a given stake for longer than "neccessary".
On your recent blog post; sample size for 100NL %? If you sit down not expecting to win then there's something wrong, and imho you shouldn't be playing when you're in that mindset. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 6:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Thanks Halv - good to hear, and food for thought. Congrats on the cash, btw!
So - the worst hand I played today. An Absolute 100% example of how not to play top pair:
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
Hero: $148.50
UTG+1: $100.75
CO: $108.50
BTN: $108
SB: $75.50
BB: $100.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $5, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($11.50) A 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets $9, UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero calls
Turn:($51.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $30, Hero calls
River:($111.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $45.75 and is all-in, Hero calls
Final Pot: $203.00
Villain has AT - not that it really matters as I have aproximately the 1,429th nuts here. Sigh. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 7:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Actually, for fun, let's see what ranked nuts I do have:
AA, AK, AT, A3
K3
Q3
J3
TT, T3
93
83
73
63
54, 53
43
33, 32
22
That's 19 hands ranked higher than me - and that's before you get to 2-diamond hands. Man I am a donk. Just reassure me - other people do this kind of shit too, right? Right? |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 7:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Anyway - the above nightmare hand was part of a winning day, and indeed long weekend (it's a bank holiday today in the UK). Sunday wasn't great - I lost $130, though going through my hands there were really none that stand out as terrible. Actually, that makes me think - perhaps there are hands where I am folding early and cheaply which might constitute my biggest leaks? Hmm, but how to find them - I might leave that till another day, give it some more thought.
Disappointingly, I only managed 18/71 in the monthly PokerPlex freeroll provided by my rb provider. The prize pool was $3,500 gtd so it was effectively $50 of equity - a lovely addition to the 30% rb I get there. I played well, and even managed being down to 42 chips at one point (BB was 300) and got back to almost respectability before running into a stronger ace when in push fold territory.
One day I'll get a decent cash in these freerolls - I've twice made the FT, a couple more cashes - my profit from them has been a not negligible $350 or so.
Anyway, back to cash. Just under 1,000 hands today, playing much more nittily than normal according to my stats: 21/13 compared to the 24/16 I've been running for the last few weeks. And, I have to say (though it depresses me a bit), playing this way works for me. My post-flop aggression factor has dropped too, to 2.4/2.6/2.6, which is still a little off balance but at least it shows I'm no longer going mental on the river.
Essentially, I am finding that at $100, you often can, and should, play more passively in certain circumstances because a) you won't scare people off as quickly, and b) it stops the Laggs from being able to put their strategy into action. I am playing more passively on hands that previously I would ALWAYS bet, like certain drawy boards and TP style hands. One big plus, for my game at least, is that the pot control effects of this strategy mean I am less likely to be forced to fold in marginal situations, and unsurprisingly this is allowing me to see showdowns with hands which, previously, I was playing too hard and then feeling obliged to fold to raises or re-raises.
This is all a little vague, I know, but I'm getting properly tired now and I'm not sure I can demonstrate my words with HHs. But if people have thoughts on the above, please, contribute, and I'll see what I can do to reply. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 7:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Oh, I forgot to give results: up $246, with the lion's share being at £50NL. See the following hand for why
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic (£50NL)
Converted by FTRConv
2-handed
Stacks
Hero: £67.65
SB: £54.15
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 3 A
SB calls, Hero checks
Flop:(£1.00) T 7 4 (2 players)
SB bets £0.50, Hero calls
Turn:(£2.00) Q (2 players)
SB bets £1.50, Hero calls
River:(£5.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets £51.65 and is all-in, Hero calls
Final Pot: £108.30
SB has 7 Q for the taint flush. Thanks for the push fella |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 7:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 3545
WPP: 106
Location: Collecting $eV
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| biondino wrote: | | SB has 7 Q for the taint flush. Thanks for the push fella | haha, nice. taint is the 2nd though, he has the sphincter(!?!?) flush |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 8:13pm Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 3896
WPP: 109
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| Just letting you know, people are reading this. I really have nothing to say about your game. I think it's your head that's getting in the way, and I am no expert in fixing those leaks. One thing about posting bad hands in your own thread and calling them bad. You know it already. The question is why is the hand played bad in the first place? The AQ hand, you know not to play that hand for a big pot on a draw heavy, paired or suited board. So why? If you have reasons, your not posting them. I think you need to look within to find your game. If you don't, forget about getting better and moving up, earning more or enjoying the game. You know your shit, find the problem. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 May 2007, 8:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Heh yes, I know, but tbh I thought taint was funnier (even though it's a word we don't use over here - luckily I have an American gf to educate me about such things - the linguistics, I means, not the, erm, anyway, where was I) |
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Posted: Tue, 29 May 2007, 2:11am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 998
WPP: 176
Location: Sweden
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| Trainer_jyms wrote: | | I think it's your head that's getting in the way, |
Says the guy with the great, big muppet-head avatar |
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Posted: Tue, 29 May 2007, 5:21am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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TJ, I appreciate your advice and your no-bullshit attitude, but I think you can pull back on the "go beyond the max, soldier" advice. I'm pretty much fine, even when I doubt myself - 2 years of winning poker and a roll bordering on 5 figures again means I've got enough of an emotional buffer.
I use this thread to vent/emote because it's what we all do anyway, internally or otherwise, and maybe occasionally someone will be able to offer concrete advice or just a sympathetic word, if appropriate.
And as for posting hands like the AQ, I think it's perfectly justified (hell, I can post whatever I like, it's my thread, but I mean I can give reasons): it's a really good demonstration of why top pairs shouldn't (usually) be felted; it's a warning to myself to stop doing shit like that; and it gives the rest of you a laugh. What's not to love? It's not like I don't post more worthwhile hands as well. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 May 2007, 5:58am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Location: Dublin
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I battled with the whole point of posting hands in my operation. I didnt want negitivity in the thread so i hope that i kept bad beats out of it, didnt want to relive them. also not posting them when its tempting i found helped me control my discipline more (i dont go into the bad beats foruem almost ever). SO whats hands should I post?? Hands where I win big dont help me or others and I dont like the whole I won big-pot-big-epenis-hand. Hands for operation threads should be like some that Miffed has where its quite indepth and thought out regardless of it been good/poor play.
BTW im not pointing this at yourself (merely posting here coz everybody will read this), I dont bother reading any Hands in the operation threads coz before you read it you know whether is a beat,moan,brag. very rarely will ppl post a hand thats very interesting and ill try give some input and discuss. Cman and Miffed can take a different approach to posting by making it intellectual to the read.
Rant, no offense focused at anyone. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 May 2007, 8:48am Post subject:
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Goat, please have a look at the hands I posted on 25/5 and have a go at commenting on my action - they were there for discussion, there's a variety of situations, and I would at least hope that it's possible to have an intellectual conversation about them.
An aside - I don't know what this "fear of the bad beat post" certain FTRers suffer from is all about. Pretty much all the respected posters here know exactly what a bad beat is, why it happens, and how to ignore it and keep on keeping on. So what on earth is wrong with posting one, for entertainment/sympathy/interest? I mean, if a golfer hit a tee shot that went into the hole and bounced out, would his mates be like "wow, what a shot, I can't believe you were so unlucky!" or would they be "you know you hit the ball well, don't focus on the negative, you spineless wimp". There's no correlation between posting bad beats and playing worse poker, at least not for those of us who know how to play. We're not focusing on bad luck to the detriment of good play, or at least I'm not - the two aren't related, one does not affect the other.
I can only assume this fear of the bad beat is like an admission of weakness, a terror of letting a chink of vulnerability into your game. I'd say such a tight-sphinctered reaction is far less healthy than a laugh/vent and a "that's poker for ya". |
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Posted: Tue, 29 May 2007, 8:51am Post subject:
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| Hehe - much as I love Miffed I'm not sure you can say some of his recent posts eschew bad beats for cerebral discussion |
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