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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 2:51pm Post subject: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant)
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Straight

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 173 WPP: 49
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This was a good hand for my note taking . There are plenty of limpers,I take notes on limpers for exploitation. Its the BB that intrests me.
$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
Betfair
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero ($8.22)
UTG+1 ($2.20)
MP1 ($0.37)
MP2 ($1.04)
CO ($1.94)
BTN ($4.14)
SB ($3.18)
BB ($2.68)
Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 8 players) Hero is UTG
Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB checks
Flop: ($0.18, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.04, BB raises to $0.27, UTG+1 calls $0.27, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.23
Turn: ($0.99, 3 players)
BB bets $1.20, UTG+1 calls $1.20, MP2 folds
River: ($3.39, 2 players)
BB bets $1.17, UTG+1 calls $0.69
Final Pot: $5.25
BB shows
UTG+1 shows
BB wins $5.02 (net +$2.34)
MP1 lost $0.04
MP2 lost $0.31
UTG+1 lost $2.20
here are my notes:
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BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .
UTG+1 ~ limped 97s,chased a bad draw, ignored a chk/rse
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If I had KK here ,I would have done a 4-8xBB preflop raise here. winning Just the $0.18 preflop pot.
But the way the BB played it. he extracted a lot more.Because UTG+1 played like an idiot.
Is my note taking accurate enough?
Is the BB play an advanced play? |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:02pm Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Posts: 443 WPP: 198
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id make a note that he overbets the turn as well with a nut type hand. other than that its what i would do
and no, the bb's play is just retarded. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:04pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 173 WPP: 49
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| JKDS wrote: | id make a note that he overbets the turn as well with a nut type hand. other than that its what i would do
and no, the bb's play is just retarded. |
Thanks,I like that, he probably got excited because his slowplay came off. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:05pm Post subject:
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One Pair

Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Posts: 20 WPP: 68
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haha JKDS I was just about to post that I don't think the BB was advanced at all and that the play was ra-tarded.
I think if a flush would have come on the river the guy would still be betting his stack away. Your note taking is on the money. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:05pm Post subject: Re: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant)
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Season VIII

Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 2260 WPP: 148
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
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| celtic123 wrote: |
here are my notes:
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BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .
UTG+1 ~ limped 97s,chased a bad draw, ignored a chk/rse
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If I had KK here ,I would have done a 4-8xBB preflop raise here. winning Just the $0.18 preflop pot.
But the way the BB played it. he extracted a lot more.Because UTG+1 played like an idiot.
Is my note taking accurate enough?
Is the BB play an advanced play? |
Notes are fine.
As far if you would have had KK preflop, and how you would have only won the preflop pot with your raise. This is likely a pretty incorrect statement. There are multiple limpers, the likelihood that one, or more, of these bad players will call your Preflop raise is pretty high. If the 97s villain called preflop, he's almost certain to have called the flop and turn chasing his draw here. In which case, the pot would be larger, thus you would extract more value.
No BB's play is not an advanced play. It's quite terrible actually. Just because he got a very nice flop, and the results ended in his favor, does not mean this is the correct way to play KK. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:07pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 1630 WPP: 84
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BB is a donk for limping KK and c/r'ing limped, drawy flop. That's a fine note.
UTG+1 weak bet/called flop with a draw. That's a worthy note because players like him often weak bet weak hands or draws.
I take notes on behavior that's out of the ordinary. If UTG+1 is like 50/2 then I expect him to play a draw like this so I wouldn't bother taking a note because it's redundant. The weakbet draw thing is probably the only thing worth noting because not all passive players weak-stab draws, sometimes they just check.
Likewise, I don't expect a really passive player to be raising KK so it's not all that noteworthy. I also espect passive players to be betting and raising very large with strength, so his postflop play is certainly typical of a passive fish.
The point is that it's hardly worth noting player's tendancies that perfect fit the standard mold of their play style as that's what you should be assuming of them anyways. Make notes when they do something out of the ordinary.
If you're not that confident in your stereotypes, I guess note-taking can be a good way to make those ideas really sink in... |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:08pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 03 Jul 2009
Posts: 100 WPP: 288
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| Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:14pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 173 WPP: 49
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| d0zer wrote: | | If you're not that confident in your stereotypes, I guess note-taking can be a good way to make those ideas really sink in... |
yes. Thats me, Ive been in the beginners forum a long long time. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 3549 WPP: 101
Location: The Grind
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Very advanced play by BB here. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 5:57pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 851 WPP: 179
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| kiwiMark wrote: | | Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson. |
Is that the same chapter that discusses when to raise 72o preflop? |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 6:33pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 26 Jul 2009
Posts: 61 WPP: 78
Location: Australia
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| LawDude wrote: | | kiwiMark wrote: | | Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson. |
Is that the same chapter that discusses when to raise 72o preflop? |
Leave 72o out of this. I checked it PF in the BB last night and hit a 772 flop. Villian had A7 and stacked off. Moral of story - 72o rocks! |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 8:19pm Post subject: Re: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant)
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Straight Flush

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 5689 WPP: 126
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| celtic123 wrote: | here are my notes:
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BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .
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I like that you use bb instead of $ amounts, but I'd word it in a way to reflect potsize and flop betsize. Perhaps as verbose as "4bb pot on flop with minbet on flop" or shorter if I can think of it. |
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