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celtic123
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 2:51pm    Post subject: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant) Reply with quote
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This was a good hand for my note taking . There are plenty of limpers,I take notes on limpers for exploitation. Its the BB that intrests me.



$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
Betfair
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($8.22)
UTG+1 ($2.20)
MP1 ($0.37)
MP2 ($1.04)
CO ($1.94)
BTN ($4.14)
SB ($3.18)
BB ($2.68)

Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 8 players) Hero is UTG King of Clubs Seven of Clubs
Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: King of Diamonds Two of Hearts Queen of Hearts ($0.18, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.04, BB raises to $0.27, UTG+1 calls $0.27, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.23

Turn: Nine of Clubs ($0.99, 3 players)
BB bets $1.20, UTG+1 calls $1.20, MP2 folds

River: Ace of Spades ($3.39, 2 players)
BB bets $1.17, UTG+1 calls $0.69

Final Pot: $5.25
BB shows
King of Spades King of Hearts
UTG+1 shows
Seven of Hearts Nine of Hearts

BB wins $5.02 (net +$2.34)

MP1 lost $0.04
MP2 lost $0.31
UTG+1 lost $2.20

here are my notes:
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BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .

UTG+1 ~ limped 97s,chased a bad draw, ignored a chk/rse

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If I had KK here ,I would have done a 4-8xBB preflop raise here. winning Just the $0.18 preflop pot.

But the way the BB played it. he extracted a lot more.Because UTG+1 played like an idiot.

Is my note taking accurate enough?
Is the BB play an advanced play?
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JKDS
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:02pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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id make a note that he overbets the turn as well with a nut type hand. other than that its what i would do

and no, the bb's play is just retarded.
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celtic123
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:04pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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JKDS wrote:
id make a note that he overbets the turn as well with a nut type hand. other than that its what i would do

and no, the bb's play is just retarded.


Thanks,I like that, he probably got excited because his slowplay came off.
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stonyman
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:05pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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haha JKDS I was just about to post that I don't think the BB was advanced at all and that the play was ra-tarded.

I think if a flush would have come on the river the guy would still be betting his stack away. Your note taking is on the money.
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XxStacksxX
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:05pm    Post subject: Re: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant) Reply with quote
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celtic123 wrote:

here are my notes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .

UTG+1 ~ limped 97s,chased a bad draw, ignored a chk/rse

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If I had KK here ,I would have done a 4-8xBB preflop raise here. winning Just the $0.18 preflop pot.

But the way the BB played it. he extracted a lot more.Because UTG+1 played like an idiot.

Is my note taking accurate enough?
Is the BB play an advanced play?


Notes are fine.

As far if you would have had KK preflop, and how you would have only won the preflop pot with your raise. This is likely a pretty incorrect statement. There are multiple limpers, the likelihood that one, or more, of these bad players will call your Preflop raise is pretty high. If the 97s villain called preflop, he's almost certain to have called the flop and turn chasing his draw here. In which case, the pot would be larger, thus you would extract more value.

No BB's play is not an advanced play. It's quite terrible actually. Just because he got a very nice flop, and the results ended in his favor, does not mean this is the correct way to play KK.
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d0zer
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:07pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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BB is a donk for limping KK and c/r'ing limped, drawy flop. That's a fine note.

UTG+1 weak bet/called flop with a draw. That's a worthy note because players like him often weak bet weak hands or draws.

I take notes on behavior that's out of the ordinary. If UTG+1 is like 50/2 then I expect him to play a draw like this so I wouldn't bother taking a note because it's redundant. The weakbet draw thing is probably the only thing worth noting because not all passive players weak-stab draws, sometimes they just check.

Likewise, I don't expect a really passive player to be raising KK so it's not all that noteworthy. I also espect passive players to be betting and raising very large with strength, so his postflop play is certainly typical of a passive fish.

The point is that it's hardly worth noting player's tendancies that perfect fit the standard mold of their play style as that's what you should be assuming of them anyways. Make notes when they do something out of the ordinary.

If you're not that confident in your stereotypes, I guess note-taking can be a good way to make those ideas really sink in...
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kiwiMark
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson.
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celtic123
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:14pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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d0zer wrote:
If you're not that confident in your stereotypes, I guess note-taking can be a good way to make those ideas really sink in...


yes. Thats me, Ive been in the beginners forum a long long time.
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spoonitnow
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 3:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very advanced play by BB here.
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LawDude
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 5:57pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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kiwiMark wrote:
Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson.


Is that the same chapter that discusses when to raise 72o preflop?
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acoss3006
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 6:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LawDude wrote:
kiwiMark wrote:
Yes, with regards to BB's play. See page seventeen of Super Secret Military Strength Poker Plays by Sklansky and Thomson.


Is that the same chapter that discusses when to raise 72o preflop?


Leave 72o out of this. I checked it PF in the BB last night and hit a 772 flop. Villian had A7 and stacked off. Moral of story - 72o rocks!
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bjsaust
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 8:19pm    Post subject: Re: Note taking advice please (results included~relevant) Reply with quote
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celtic123 wrote:
here are my notes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BB~capable of slowplaying KK.Checked with KK in the big blind. KQx flop. Check/raised to 7xbb .


I like that you use bb instead of $ amounts, but I'd word it in a way to reflect potsize and flop betsize. Perhaps as verbose as "4bb pot on flop with minbet on flop" or shorter if I can think of it.
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