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Posted: Mon, 05 Mar 2007, 4:43pm Post subject: NLHE T&P - Week 9 Discussion p. 183-205 |
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4-of-a-Kind
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1. On p. 185, in the section on adjusting to loose games and players, S&M write:
| Quote: | | Seek big preflop pots with big pocket pairs like pocket kings, but avoid them with big unpaired cards like ace-king. |
Why should you avoid big pre-flop pots with AK? Is this advice specific to loose games?
2. Do you find the type of weak/tight player Ed Miller describes in your online games? How do you identify them?
3. Have you ever intentionally bought in short to a cash game? What was your pre-flop strategy? |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Mar 2007, 8:55pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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1) if the flop goes multi-way you will need to hit to win. Somewhere else in the book it mentions that you should often go a/i pre-flop with AK...
2) 50NL on FTP was like this at the end of last year, but much more aggro since Neteller went busto.
3) I think about it every so often... but there has to be some game selection here. Why buy in to say, 200NL with a $50 stack as opposed to a full stack at 50NL? Just pay more in blinds. So, it's meaningless for lower limits. Might make sense if you are b/r for 1000NL and want to play 5K with 20BB. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Mar 2007, 9:24pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Thanks for keeping up zenbitz. Feels like I'm in a book club of one once in awhile 
re: #2 I find that 100NL and 200NL full-ring have a fair number of players that fit some of Ed Miller's descriptions. They don't raise many hands pre-flop and can be pushed off of hands pretty easily. They're more aggressive post-flop, and probably bluff more than the live players Ed's describing do, but they're still exploitable. Look for multi-tablers with stats like 15/5 and raise their c-bets, occasionally lead or c/r turns, fold to resistance. There's still money to be made online! |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Mar 2007, 2:24am Post subject: Re: NLHE T&P - Week 9 Discussion p. 183-205 |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| zook wrote: | 1. On p. 185, in the section on adjusting to loose games and players, S&M write:
| Quote: | | Seek big preflop pots with big pocket pairs like pocket kings, but avoid them with big unpaired cards like ace-king. |
Why should you avoid big pre-flop pots with AK? Is this advice specific to loose games?
With big PP's it usually ok to commit to the hand on the flop if the preflop plays developed a big flop (ie. with at least one RR). AK is so much more vulnerable in these spots by often commiting to TPTK. vs unknowns plyers with AK would be best to take a more conservative approach (at least when OOP). In loose games id prob be more apt to being v aggro PF with it to avoid multiway and also be more inclined to felt TP (but this depends on aggro or passive opp's)
2. Do you find the type of weak/tight player Ed Miller describes in your online games? How do you identify them?
i havent come across this guy so much yet, not since i left stars anyway
3. Have you ever intentionally bought in short to a cash game? What was your pre-flop strategy?
haha yes, live game while drunk $50 in 1/2 NL. doubled up in first hand felting TPGK then losing it 10 hands later
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Posted: Thu, 08 Mar 2007, 9:45am Post subject: |
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1. There are two kinds of big preflop pots.
- a lot of raising - one players moves all in
- raised multiway pot.
In first case, your AK is probably beat or, if you are up against loose player, you probably have only a coin flip.
In multiway pot, you usually need two pair or better to win and if you hit just top pair, you might get into some trouble. That is why Sklansky suggests to reraise with AK if there is raiser and a cold caller to isolate cold caller and to get information about the strength of raiser's hand. In loose games, that isolation play might not work so it is a dangerous play.
2. I play 25NL at stars and I am quite surprised - there are a lot of weak tight players. You just look at their stats and then exploit them with bluffing, reraising them, because some of them dont call reraise with just AK, I believe (never saw them folding that hand , but I believe they do it). If they have AA or KK, they will move in, if they have JJ, they will probably fold to reraise.
Also, if I raised preflop and they make a small bet to me (like 1/4 of pot) they are probably weak so I raise them light. When they have a great hand, they will let you know - sometimes they will quickly move in with the nuts. They won't even slowplay. So transparent.
3. I think playing short is for cowards who don't have balls or bankrolls to play full stack. I have both so I never do it. But an interesting thing is I heard that Phil Ivey does it sometimes, but he is probably just training for tournaments or is drunk at the time. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 Mar 2007, 8:06am Post subject: |
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Since Sklansky says that T&P isn't directed only at cash games, below is my POV from Stars $6 turbo SNGs.
1) Sometimes you find people overplaying small/medium PPs for their stacks pre-flop and you're racing with AK. This is much more common than someone with AJ/AQ. I don't know how this applies to the bigger buy-in (and presumably tighter) SNGs because I don't have the bankroll to play in them.
2) At the low-level turbos, there are some players who I know are part of training sites and use the formulaic super-tight early and pushbot late strategy.
3) Obviously you can't buy-in short to a SNG, but sometimes when you take a beat and get knocked down to a short stack, you are in push/fold mode by the time blinds reach 50/100 (especially in turbos).
Please keep up the club zook, it's always helpful having other player's POVs on the game. |
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