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gosam
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 2:37pm    Post subject: NL50, please not to FML! Reply with quote
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I'm finally ready to move up to 50NL. Got my 30BI in the roll, worked on my game, polished the luckboxx.

So I'll be posting my progress over here and discussing noticeable hands.


Worst OP ever, huh?
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Micro2Macro
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 4:57pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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GL sir!

Site? Goals? etc. etc.
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gosam
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 5:14pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PokerStars.

As for goals, not having to move down due to bad play is a start. Beating the stake for 3ptbb is a nice long term goal.

And ofc, improving, working on the game , yadda yadda
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Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 5:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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oh hai der.

GL.
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Micro2Macro
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 7:04pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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what's your SN?

If it's xx'tubbywon'xx I challenge you HU 4 rollz.
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gosam
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 8:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm newgosam.

Did the guy put some beat on you?

In other news, I've had my first ever winning sesh at 50NL (took some 4 shots before, all ended bad).

4BI in 2K hands Very Happy let's hope it continues.

also for the lolz factor, this is a FR table breaking down.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO Norman79 ($50.00)
BTN Dellex ($39.00)
SB mabedi ($53.65)
BB Hero ($61.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BB Queen of Spades Queen of Clubs
1 fold, Dellex raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, Dellex calls $4

Flop: Three of Clubs Jack of Hearts Nine of Hearts ($12.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, Dellex raises to $18, Hero goes all-in $55.65, Dellex goes all-in $15

Turn: King of Hearts ($100.90, 2 players)

River: Eight of Diamonds ($100.90, 2 players)

Final Pot: $78.25
Dellex shows: Five of Clubs Five of Hearts
Hero shows: Queen of Spades Queen of Clubs

Hero wins $98.90 ( won +$37.25 )
Dellex lost -$39
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gosam
Post Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 9:24am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yesterday was a nice sesh. Got "acquainted" with more regs. One of them probably hates my guts by now.

One thing I noticed is that I'm playing much more aggressive at 50NL compared to 25NL, like 14/12 instead of my usual 12/9. It's probably the more generalized nittiness that allows me to.

I got a whole bunch of hands to discuss, so here goes :


Hand 1

This hand just for the history with villain, he is 16/11 4.5% 3b
Apart from VPIP/PFR gap he looked like a fairly good reg to me, plays aggressive.
He stacks off here with QQ+ with a diamond along with flopped flushes.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Sakh79 ($50.75)
UTG+1 syn87 ($50.00)
MP1 fred_fleck ($62.55)
MP2 Poker Drum ($44.20)
MP3 THe_RedLife ($65.90)
CO Hero ($97.50)
BTN Elbeto87 ($50.00)
SB Reggie999 ($55.85)
BB Th3 ZodiAc ($51.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is CO Four of Clubs Four of Hearts
Sakh79 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Poker Drum calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, Reggie999 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: Four of Diamonds Two of Diamonds Seven of Diamonds ($6.50, 4 players)
Reggie999 checks, Sakh79 bets $4.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, Reggie999 folds, Sakh79 raises to $49.25, Hero calls $32.25

Turn: Two of Spades ($105, 2 players)

River: Seven of Spades ($105, 2 players)



Hand 2

Same villain, though in a steal situation.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Th3 ZodiAc ($51.50)
UTG+1 Sakh79 ($50.75)
MP1 syn87 ($50.00)
MP2 fred_fleck ($62.55)
MP3 Poker Drum ($44.20)
CO THe_RedLife ($65.90)
BTN Hero ($50.00)
SB Elbeto87 ($51.85)
BB Reggie999 ($56.35)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is BTN Ace of Spades Nine of Spades
6 folds, Hero raises to $2, Elbeto87 calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: Ace of Hearts Ten of Diamonds Four of Spades ($4.50, 2 players)
Elbeto87 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: Nine of Diamonds ($9.50, 2 players)
Elbeto87 checks, Hero bets $6, Elbeto87 raises to $15, Hero raises to $35, Elbeto87 raises to $47.35, Hero calls $10.50

River: Ace of Clubs ($102.35, 2 players)

I could see him doing a delayed resteal here, donking with most his range because the ace shouldn't hit mine hard. Also his flop bet size is WTF?

We turn two pair, making us ahead of most his TP hands.
when he checks, the turn, I'm weighing his range more towards bluffs/semibluffs. But I'm still totally lost on what to put him on here.

After the check raise, I'm back to putting him on a hand trying to extract {A9+, 44, TT, 99}, maybe some turned combo draw, like QdJd.

This hand just totally lost me. I still don't know if I should have raised or flatted and let him fire again.

Hand 3

And again same villain. I'm wondering here about best line for maximum extraction.

In retrospect, the turn c/shove was bad, it gave villain horrible odds. I think a minraise would have been nice given history. Or maybe call and fire a small value bet on the river, some thing like 12$.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Reggie999 ($70.50)
UTG+1 Th3 ZodiAc ($76.35)
MP Sakh79 ($50.00)
CO b&mAKQJA ($49.25)
BTN THe_RedLife ($65.65)
SB Hero ($147.50)
BB Elbeto87 ($50.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 7 players) Hero is SB Eight of Clubs Eight of Spades
2 folds, Sakh79 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: Eight of Diamonds Eight of Hearts Queen of Hearts ($3.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Sakh79 raises to $9.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: Jack of Diamonds ($22.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Sakh79 bets $12, Hero raises to $41.50, Sakh79 folds

Final Pot: $76

Hero wins $73.75 ( won +$21.25 )
Sakh79 lost -$23


Hand 4

Here villain is 15/12 3% 3b over 1.5k hands. Never seen him do anything retarded.

Flop bet is standard and I expect villain to call me with a lot of underpairs. On the turn, I go for a check to be able to extract another bet out TT-JJ on the river. I believe this bet/check/bet line looks like a bluff a lot.

His river shove is WTF? he's repping 77/88/QQ, maybe AQ too.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG TigerDP ($75.40)
UTG+1 Hero ($50.75)
MP1 capaneo ($67.25)
MP2 cee23 ($74.10)
MP3 Elbeto87 ($52.25)
CO Matt242 ($67.70)
BTN MSniper79 ($15.75)
SB gorozito ($50.00)
BB Jompatan ($50.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1 Ace of Clubs King of Diamonds
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, cee23 calls $2, 2 folds, MSniper79 calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: Ace of Diamonds Seven of Hearts Seven of Clubs ($6.75, 3 players)
Hero bets $4.50, cee23 calls $4.50, MSniper79 folds

Turn: Eight of Diamonds ($15.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, cee23 checks

River: Queen of Clubs ($15.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, cee23 raises to $67.60, Hero folds

Final Pot: $92.35

cee23 wins $90.70 ( won +$16.60 )
MSniper79 lost -$2
Hero lost -$15.50


Now for the lulz hand of the day :
Villain is the table's drooler Smile

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG fer86 ($50.00)
UTG+1 Hero ($61.60)
MP1 Cracy_Iceman ($81.35)
MP2 syn87 ($55.10)
CO Min9 ($63.20)
BTN ffattonyy ($50.30)
SB NOWOW ($56.40)
BB Elbeto87 ($58.45)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1 Ace of Clubs Queen of Clubs
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Cracy_Iceman calls $2, 3 folds, NOWOW calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: Ace of Hearts Ace of Diamonds Jack of Spades ($6.50, 3 players)
NOWOW checks, Hero bets $4.50, Cracy_Iceman raises to $9, NOWOW folds, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: Seven of Diamonds ($24.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Cracy_Iceman bets $67, Hero calls $50.60

River: Six of Clubs ($142.10, 2 players)

Final Pot: $142.10
Hero shows: Ace of Clubs Queen of Clubs
Cracy_Iceman shows: Ace of Spades Ten of Clubs

Hero wins $122.70 ( won +$61.10 )
Cracy_Iceman wins $16.40 ( lost -$61.60 )
NOWOW lost -$2
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gosam
Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 8:50am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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For a while there, I was seeing myself as an "established" reg at 50NL. The BR licked the 2k mark, I was making a steady 3ptbb/100, and all was fine.

Then this little swing happened, and I lost 10BI to be back where I started. Really makes you think.

One thing I realized, and which hurts, is that I'm never making money when the fishes aren't around. I guess I got overconfident and neglected to study reg's play.

Apart from this I did some math on the 3bing ranges of the different villains I encounter, and worked out on my 3bing.
But I'm having some sort of psychological problem with that. I can clearly see that a light 3b is +EV, but I just don't find enough spots when on the table to do it. There's also the fact that the last light 3b attempts backfired, but it's not a reason.

The IRC chan has been very helpful, helping with though spots and highlighting some flaws.

I'll be posting some hands for you to publicly ridicule me later.
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Jason
Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 9:00am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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gosam wrote:
Apart from this I did some math on the 3bing ranges of the different villains I encounter, and worked out on my 3bing.
But I'm having some sort of psychological problem with that. I can clearly see that a light 3b is +EV, but I just don't find enough spots when on the table to do it. There's also the fact that the last light 3b attempts backfired, but it's not a reason.
I'm not a 3 bet expert and for the most part believe it is an overrated concept that should basically be ignored full ring $2NL through $25NL. However, just thinking about it out loud, I would think the best spots to 3 bet light would be when:

1) You have position
2) You put your opponent on a steal
3) You put your opponent on a small pocket pair or other hand that can't stand a raise
4) You can isolate
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Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 9:05am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The best guys to light threebet all play positional, have a wider range OTB or in the CO. They all have a fold to 3bet in the 75% range or higher and you want to be 3betting hands that aren't good enough to raise/call but can still flop great with blockers vs there possibility of having AA KK and AK, or will flop better on raggy flops like suited gappers.

Lastly, look for those guys that don't fold to 3bets often and cll a ton, but tend to fold to any flop that misses. thses guys are huge for the winrate.
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Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 3:09pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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gosam just checking in looks like your working it out. Good luck!
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Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 7:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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G/L going to $50 NL
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Post Posted: Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 8:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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H2- Turn is sick. Mostly depends on what you think he stacks off with.

H3- Yea lol minraise.

H4- Bet flop more, bet turn.

GL on the tables. 50NL is really not a difficult game. Learn to 3bet and just focus on ranges and extracting value.
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