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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 8:26am Post subject: Nearing bubble w/TT
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Joined: 20 Jul 2008
Posts: 166
WPP: 210
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How do you play this? Villian is trying to limp into most pots. I'm getting near 10BB, nearing the bubble(6 places paid) is this a raise or a shove?
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $600.00 BB (8 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($4645)
BB ($7875)
UTG ($9900)
UTG+1 ($7945)
MP1 ($2365)
MP2 ($7300)
Hero (CO) ($7272)
Button ($41198)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10 , 10
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $600, 2 folds, Hero?? |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 8:59am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 1597
WPP: 128
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| If he limps into most pots shove it |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 3:48pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| don't forget to fist pump |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 7:27pm Post subject:
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i rarely, if ever, get pms
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 7:30pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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| drmcboy wrote: | | don't forget to fist pump |
this is key ^^ |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 7:31am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 35
WPP: 57
Location: Australia
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| chardrian wrote: | | snap shove. |
Chardrian, may I ask why this is a shove and not a raise to say, 2000?
Some things that would influence my play might be:
1. What hands has villain shown down when he has limped?
2. What is my image?
3. There is a huge stack behind me, how has he been playing (e.g. does he love to shove when there are a number of limpers infront of him? Has he called all ins with marginal hands?) |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 11:29am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
Posts: 413
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Location: Riding the life heater
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| drmcboy wrote: | | don't forget to fist pump |
then all-in plz. this is prettyyyyyyyyy easy. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 1:17pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| chrisav74 wrote: | why this is a shove and not a raise to say, 2000?
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if we get shoved over we have to call anyway but shoving might make a hand like AQ/KQ fold and will for sure fold QJ and probably KJ
If you happen to get cold called you're probably going to have to play the hand but it's awkward with TT. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 2:29pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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Location: swonging and swonging
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| TT is strong enough to get it in with but weak enough that we really don't need to be taking a flop. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 8:01pm Post subject:
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i rarely, if ever, get pms
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 4320
WPP: 178
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| chrisav74 wrote: | | chardrian wrote: | | snap shove. |
Chardrian, may I ask why this is a shove and not a raise to say, 2000?
Some things that would influence my play might be:
1. What hands has villain shown down when he has limped?
2. What is my image?
3. There is a huge stack behind me, how has he been playing (e.g. does he love to shove when there are a number of limpers infront of him? Has he called all ins with marginal hands?) |
Your image doesn't matter with 12 BBs; huge stack behind you doesn't matter with 12 BBs.
Sounds to me like you are wanting to raise to 2k so that you can fold to a shove which is just bad w/TT in that spot.
If you are doing it to induce a worse hand to shove it is fine, but the standard play here is just to shove. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 7:22am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
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Location: Australia
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My thinking was more along the lines of "why shove when the only hands that are going to call you have you flipping a coin maybe 80% or crushed the other 20%?".
I would never fold TT if villian pushes me in with M of 12. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 9:22am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 510
WPP: 320
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| Nearly anyone calling your raise is flipping against you. It would be much better to just shove and fold out some of those coinflips, taking down a pot that is already 1500+ chips (any antes?), and that will leave you closer to 15BB instead of 10BB. Maybe someone will make a bad call with 77-99 or AT and you will double up. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 2:13pm Post subject:
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i rarely, if ever, get pms
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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First of all you are wrong that of the hands that call you 80% you are flipping with and 20% are crushing you. You only have 12 BBs so you will often get called by any pair, and hands like A8.
Second, you are increasing your stack by like 25% even if everyone does fold, and that is fine. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 10:20pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 35
WPP: 57
Location: Australia
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| Thanks for the replies guys, I can see why pushing is best here |
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