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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 12:39pm Post subject: My QQ facing a massive overshove all in 10nl
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Two Pair
Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 49
WPP: 137
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| I raise to $.40 UTG, and the guy on the button shoves all in for $10. No reads. What do I do? Call and hope he's gone mad or sit and wait for a better opportunity til I have some reads etc |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 12:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| I call. Against an unknown at those stakes I think you're at least breaking even against his range. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 3:28pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 80
Location: emo-kid
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| call or fold depending on how desensitized you are to those stakes. it is minimally +EV. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 3:33pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Posts: 346
WPP: 75
Location: Tampa
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yup, its call or fold!  |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 3:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Location: Gainesville
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 6:23pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 384
WPP: 89
Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| I really doubt he is shoving AA or KK like that. More likely to be some mid pp that he hates playing post flop so he just shoves like a monkey. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 6:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
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| pankfish wrote: | | I really doubt he is shoving AA or KK like that. More likely to be some mid pp that he hates playing post flop so he just shoves like a monkey. |
doubt it. mid pp's are only hard when u get fancy. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 7:14pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 384
WPP: 89
Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | pankfish wrote: | | I really doubt he is shoving AA or KK like that. More likely to be some mid pp that he hates playing post flop so he just shoves like a monkey. |
doubt it. mid pp's are only hard when u get fancy. |
Shoving over a 4x raise with a 100bb stack is pretty bad imo. So we have to assume that the opponent is pretty awful. I would assume that he hates playing mid pps post flop because he thinks everyone is always sucking out on him. Common donk strategy, especially if this guy has been playing sngs is to start shoving mid pps and to hell with your equity vs calling ranges because lol what is equity.
I mean it could be AA. It could be 4-7. I put the bulk of his range on 77-JJ until he proves otherwise to me. If he flips over AA make sure you take a note saying the stakes you played him at and that he made a weird shove with AA in case you ever play him again.
There are times when these players who don't play much get tilted because you are "raising every hand" and are just trying to tell you to stop it in there own donkey ways.
Over all if calling this is -ev it's only marginally so and this isn't really a situation that will arise enough to affect your winrate much imo. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 5:15pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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WPP: 94
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Here is my opinion about the matter and it should count because I'm a microlimit grinder. It's probably AK, AQ, AJ, or pairs 88+. Probably not AA or KK.
Although I have a friend who plays NL10-NL25 who always open shoves AA, KK preflop, because he says there are people who are willing to gamble with anything. And no one can give him credit for AA or KK, because that is not a rationale way of playing those hands. So it must be something weaker, so he will get calls from lot of weaker hands, like AQ, JJ, TT. He says it's +EV and I kind of believe him. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 5:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2654
WPP: 90
Location: Arlington, VA
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 9:10pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
Posts: 213
WPP: 130
Location: count-n mah monies stewie-style
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my thoughts exactly  |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 5:56am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 03 Jul 2007
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WPP: 137
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| He had AA. I made a note. I'll bust him later |
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