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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 9:52am Post subject: Miffs Quit thread
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 7939
WPP: 71
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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Im seriously now considering quitting poker because i obviously cant beat 1/2NL. Im now stuck for probably 40buyins and cannot run good.
Im posting all my stats below so someone can try and make sense for me. Anyone who fancies a coaching role can PM me, as i might take it up but im just going to take a break because it seems obvious that i am not going to be able to beat this game of people making such bad poker plays.
My graph for the last 3 months (doesnt include my initial 10by in drop that i lost when changing computers)
My poker ev grpah, yes the last bit was my first serious tilt for a VERY long time. Normally i dont have any trouble with it (plus i got KK vs AA 3 times which didnt help)
ev graph is only for party/UB and I-poker where i have run like shit on all 3.
Perhaps the most telling stats.
Id like some advice other than lol you won 67k, otherwise im going back to 25nl on stars to figure out if i can actually beat the game. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 9:58am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 7006
WPP: 71
Location: Pwnsylvania
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your W$WSF is very low, I cant hate on the disparity between VPIP/PFR cuz Coco-Bill does that but youre most definitely not as good of a hand reader and valuebetter as he is then.
You're not positionally aware
I think you're way too tight in position and too loose OOP. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 10:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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OMG what the hell do you do in the blinds?
You are folding too often post-flop - considering you're only playing 19% of hands you should be winning at least 40% WSF. Are you too weak tight, and playing against aggressive players savvy enough to pick you up on that?
If you don't mind me saying, I suspect you have a leaking game which is now ingrained after hundreds of thousands of hands, and if you seriously want to keep playing you're going to need to drop down and literally take it to pieces, studying each element of the game step by step until the big holes are patched. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 10:33am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 80
Location: emo-kid
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basically what others already said...
- you're not positionally aware (this one is huge)
- you're sucking in the blinds
- you have tilt issues (omgwtf how did you lose so much in the end???)
- you are playing a VERY high variance style (as seen in your graph)
post more screens, like the more details in the general tab. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:00am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3064
WPP: 71
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| I think you can be helped. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:21am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 7939
WPP: 71
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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I personally think ive gotten stuick bewteen my 30/20 game and a nitty 18/125 game i can play and now ive completely forgotten the simple things.
My positional stats scrae me to death only because i cant find how i am not 12/12 UTG. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:31am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3064
WPP: 71
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| Just remember, Chardrian almost quit, then he had a huge pay day. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:44am Post subject:
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Season III
Joined: 20 Aug 2005
Posts: 1779
WPP: 124
Location: Winning 1 of 1 games
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| Yeah so play the WCOOP main event |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:47am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 80
Location: emo-kid
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| miff, as crazy as it sounds, go back to basics and go with a starting hands chart. i don't think you need to drop down in stakes, but changing what types of hands you start playing with in different positions will change the situations you get yourself into postflop. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 12:46pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1367
WPP: 90
Location: KC, MO
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | You're not positionally aware
I think you're way too tight in position and too loose OOP. |
This cannot be re-enforced enough. I would drop one level and begin working on your game instead of playing on cruise control. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 12:57pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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how is your vpip 17 UTG?! what hands are you playing from UTG? that seems pretty loose to me.
By the same token, if you are going to be playing 17 VPIP UTG then your PFR UTG should be 17 as well. Don't open limp! Maybe at lower stakes you can open limp, but I think at 200NL people will own you for that.
I think you need to look closer at your blind play. Are you flat calling in the blinds against LP/button openers? You might consider 3-betting more out of the blinds with 77+,AJ+ against players opening on the button. Take control of the hand! |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 1:10pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 3687
WPP: 80
Location: Canuckistan
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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | post more screens, like the more details in the general tab. | |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 2:36pm Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 2186
WPP: 107
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| Yeah definately not positionally aware. Something I've also noticed about you is you're not opponent aware, at least from a lot of the hands I've seen that you've posted. I'll elaborate later when I have time. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 2:43pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6593
WPP: 74
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you lost 10 buy ins with one large tilt session. 10 bi's is not that bad, so this shouldn't be that discouraging.
Obviously you can be helped just keep trying to improve and read the long rant posts on this forum. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 3:13pm Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 3884
WPP: 109
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Wow, I never got the chance to ask since everyone did. What hands are you playng UTG and what hands are you limping UTG? Stop playing preflop with hands your folding postflop. These stats are reminiscent of a first year player just breaking out of micro stakes. Here is one example, AJo, never play AJo out of position, ever. ATs, never play ATs UTG until you can really play poker from that position.Until you get some help with this don't play anything not AQ+,PP UTG, and never limp.
More details tab please. |
Last edited by jyms on Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 3:17pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 3:15pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 3687
WPP: 80
Location: Canuckistan
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| Warpe wrote: | | |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | post more screens, like the more details in the general tab. | |
also, get better at hand reading and start using a HUD to do it |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 4:13pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 246
WPP: 117
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| Id recommend taking a break from all things poker. Take at least a two week break and do nothing poker related. Come back determined and motivated to do well. Move down a level and grind away. Reevaluate your play and take other's recommendations and continue to post confusing hands. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 6:42pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1239
WPP: 140
Location: working on midpairs
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| Massimo wrote: | | I think you can be helped. | |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 7:01pm Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 2186
WPP: 107
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| Galapogos wrote: | | Yeah definately not positionally aware. Something I've also noticed about you is you're not opponent aware, at least from a lot of the hands I've seen that you've posted. I'll elaborate later when I have time. |
Not really much to elaborate on really, but what I noticed when you were playing on PokerRoom is you weren't playing idealy against the particular villain you were in the hand with. This is just by going off your hand histories you posted, but I recognized lot of the names you were up against and had you been paying attention to them I really don't think you would have made some of the plays you chose.
I suspect maybe you depend to much on your HUD and automated plays which is fine against boring tagfish, but when you're up against erratic gambling players you have to have a better handle on how they play their post-flop game.
This is just an example, but I get the feeling you could be up against a shitty loose preflop player who's a station post flop, and if he raises your c-bet you'll willingly stack off with TPTK against him, even though he hasn't reraised yet post-flop.
I don't know if that example makes sense, and if it does, I could be totally off because it's only based on a few HHs, but that's what I get from you. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Sep 2007, 11:17pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 286
WPP: 118
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Miffed...I agree with what has been said before, esp the comments about being positionally aware. You raise too much UTG and are spewing chips...certainly something is very wrong with your blind play as well. I lose .09 BB's per hand in the SB and .11 per hand in the BB. You are at .32/.50 which is crazy (yes, I play SH also). One other thing I wanted to mention is that villains are getting more sohpisticated so you must adapt. If you don't play a solid, adaptable (meaning diff play against diff villains) you will probably be marginally profitable at best. You are my BBJ hero so you can't quit...  |
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Posted: Thu, 27 Sep 2007, 2:40am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 1567
WPP: 84
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| ur a good player...wtf?? i remember you posting about crushing the games a while back, obviously that skill doesn't just vanish. the other posts are prob right too...but maybe you need to take a break. i dont think quit, just some time to forget about this and play solidly again. a coach can also help - i recommend that from personal experience. |
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Posted: Thu, 27 Sep 2007, 3:57pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 7939
WPP: 71
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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| benny999 wrote: | | ur a good player...wtf?? i remember you posting about crushing the games a while back, obviously that skill doesn't just vanish. the other posts are prob right too...but maybe you need to take a break. i dont think quit, just some time to forget about this and play solidly again. a coach can also help - i recommend that from personal experience. |
It vanishes when you get too cocky and can think youy can beat everything which is what happened over the summer when i made my first move to 200nl all the way to 3/6nl and then promptly down again.
Its actually taken me the time to post all this and realise ive never really looked at my stats to see wtf am i doing.
But then this thread was designed to be a wake up call to myself.
for those who are interested, i have no idea what my 17% UTG is but it just stopped. Im having the week and will be back grinidn next week, obviously with a hand chart right next to my screen and playing nitty. Obviously i forgot you cant raise every hand and win every pot which is what ive been trying to do now that i look back and think about it.
I ran bad sure, but then i played bad, until now i couldnt actually see that i was bad (or was playing that way) at least now i have realised what i am doing and what i need to be doing.
Hopefuly, my next 50k hand post will be lol look at my bbs/100 for 1/2 |
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Posted: Thu, 27 Sep 2007, 4:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 80
Location: emo-kid
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| this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware. |
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Posted: Thu, 27 Sep 2007, 5:33pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 7939
WPP: 71
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware. | guess what i already did....
its a little difficultto adjust however as most regs in the games i play are 30/5 muppets but im going for it anyway...
it was my first thought on looking at my lolstataments. |
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Posted: Thu, 27 Sep 2007, 6:18pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 1452
WPP: 79
Location: im so asian
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| Miffed22001 wrote: | | |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware. | guess what i already did....
its a little difficultto adjust however as most regs in the games i play are 30/5 muppets but im going for it anyway...
it was my first thought on looking at my lolstataments. |
umm if they are then 3 betting light (sauces guide) wouldnt be the best way to go about beating that game. His guide was ideally for the multi tabler robots that infest the stars/tilt games. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 6:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Oct 2005
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Sorry about the bad run Miffed. I've never been in this forum because I don't play short handed, but you asked me to check it out, so I did.
Again, no 6-max experience, but it's pretty obvious where some of the problems are. All of which I could find have been mentioned already. Looks like you should get back to the basics and follow what snowbird4life said... 100%.
I had a horrible run for a month and a half a very short time ago. I took a couple weeks off, and got my head back to where it was when I FIRST wanted to grind and pwn low stakes NL online.
Weather the storm, you'll be glad you did. |
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