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Rurso01
Post Posted: Thu, 22 Jan 2009, 11:13am    Post subject: New User Reply with quote
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I searched how to successfully grind my bank roll or something similar to this and found this thread. I must say, although informative, it was a very interesting and fun read. Seeing the progression of nibbles and the cranky attitude of xxstacksxx, lol. Made the read quite fun. I myself am in the same sort of grind. I started with 50 dollars on January 3rd and have since made my way to 109.44. I stick to the 5.50 sit n go 9 person. I find it easier to succeed when new players arent constantly being rotated do to table breakdowns. Don't get me wrong, I love a good MTT, but as of right now, ive moved to 9 man SnG's. Whats the update nibbles? BR and next step?
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Post Posted: Thu, 22 Jan 2009, 11:40am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hey Rurso! Welcome to FTR! I'm glad you found my operation interesting. Congrats on your double up. Hope it continues. Are you only playing S&Gs or do you play cash / ring games as well?

As for me, I just moved up from 2NL to 5NL so I'll probably be here for a while. I am no longer in a rush, as I'm playing to learn and not a source of income, obviously. Smile So my next step is, and always will be, keep learning.

Good luck and I look forward to your contributions to this great forum. Alot of good info here. Later.
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Post Posted: Thu, 22 Jan 2009, 12:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i play the occasional low limit cash tables. .5/.10 at most. i dont like to risk more than 10% of my bankroll. I know good sources say risk even less than that but i enjoy a little bit of excitement to the game now and again. but id say 95% of my game consists of tournament and sit n go's. IMO, the best money is made there if you are a TAGG. Hard to win a tournament with a loose style of play.
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Post Posted: Thu, 22 Jan 2009, 9:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Knocked out a 100 hands session and made a little over a buck (5NL). I feel good about that $1 because I had dropped $3 on some really good second best hands. But I stuck it out and left the table with a little over $6. Small victories. Decided to play 50 cent MTT and got knocked out in a harsh manner, but hey, that's poker. Gonna take a break and churn out another 150 hands or so and see if I can win a buyin. I need to make some progress. Keep grinding.
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Post Posted: Fri, 23 Jan 2009, 5:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Second session last night was dead cards. Blinded off a dollar then called it a night. Card dead again today so far. Only one hand, JJ UTG+1, raised, got 1 caller. Flop was AKx, c-bet took it down. Aside from that, nothing. Played a 25 cent 90 man S&G, finished 40th. Still card dead.

I'm gonna take a stab at multi-tabling tonight. I will drop back to 2NL for that. Start off with two tables and possibly add a third if things are going well. Should be interesting. I've never turned a profit doing this, but hope tonight will be different.
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Post Posted: Fri, 23 Jan 2009, 7:43pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Played for an hour and it was pretty much as I remembered it. I won 75 cents on one table and lost 37 cents on the other. So 38 cents / 19 BB profit in an hour, not bad. Gonna take a break. Gonna grind all night. Stats for the session:

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 125 hands and saw flop:
- 11 out of 14 times while in big blind (78%)
- 5 out of 14 times while in small blind (35%)
- 19 out of 97 times in other positions (19%)
- a total of 35 out of 125 (28%)
Pots won at showdown - 4 of 7 (57%)
Pots won without showdown - 8

I've been feeling the itch to go down to Atlantic City. I can spare $1000 for the trip (could stand to lose it but wouldn't like to). The 200NL live games at casinos are very soft (at least that is how I remember them). I've had success at those tables in the past nutcamping (once played a table for 29 hours), but in our current economic state the games are likely tougher. I don't know. Should have gone last weekend. Holiday weekends always made for packed poker tables. Oh well. Still debating.
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Hey nibbles, good to see ur trying out the multi tabling thing. That's the best part about multitabling, imo. You can lose on one table, but be up more on another. (or up on both, or down on both obviously). Just keep doing what you are doing. Every once in a while if you get bored of one table, just throw up another one. Two tables isn't that much more to pay attention to, imo. At least not when you've been grinding 2nl as long as we have Wink.

Alright man, have fun in Atlantic City (if you go Smile) go make some monies!!!
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Thanks Dranger. If I make just a few hundred buck I'll be happy. Maybe test my luck at the craps tables. I might go next weekend. Still debating.

Anyway, I fell asleep during the second session last night and I was down close to $1. Today I played two 10 cent 360 man turbo S&Gs. Didn't cash in the first one, but took 4th in the next game. Got $2.80. Microstakes trash talkers crack me up. I took a huge pot off one guy and he's telling me what a donk I am, when I had 2 overs, a gutshot, and a flush draw. Me hitting the gut pissed him off. I guess he would have felt better had I hit the flush or one of my two overcards??? Anyway, he's telling me how I'm gonna lose my chips and blah, blah, blah. I look him up on sharkscope, and dude has dropped over $1500 in S&Gs with a -59% ROI. Goldfish jumping out of the bowl, lol. The biggest trash talkers are usually the worst players. It was just funny to me.

Roll is up to $111.13, but will see how the rest of the day goes. Back to the grind.
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Post Posted: Sun, 25 Jan 2009, 2:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just got knocked out of 25 cent MTT. Finished in 49th place outta 3600+ players. Won $1.50. AQ went down to AT. I kept missing the other MTTs. I wanted to play the $2 MTT. Maybe tomorrow. Hopefully my bad run is officially over.
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Didn't play much poker today, just about 30 hands of ring. Wasn't into it. Watched the basketball games on ABC and surfed the web. Stumbled onto the Official Poker Rankings website and registered. Pretty cool. For the 3 months I've been back playing poker I am ranked higher than 85% of ranked players on stars (pat the back), 94,000+ outta 635,000+ ranked players. Yeah baby! It shows your performance for years. And the performance of others. Good for tracking your success.

Gonna force a session here in a few. Gotta put the hands in. Shame I can't do a MTT. Got a really early morning tomorrow. I thought my 2nd hundred would come alot faster than my 1st hundred, but I realize poker doesn't work that way. Back to the grind.
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Post Posted: Tue, 27 Jan 2009, 1:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just got knocked out of my 50 cent MTT. Finished 90 something outta 2600+ field. Can't win races at crunch time. Anyway, I lost a buy in at 2NL earlier today when my AA got cracked, but I've been able to recover most of it as I cashed in my MTT and an earlier 25 cent 90 man S&G. Roll sits at $112.45. Gonna call it a night.

I might hafta take a break from poker cos I am getting really upset. I see so many luckboxes playing push 'n catch poker while I grind away. I know they are long term losers but I need a big win cos I'm upset. Even in this MTT tonight, it wasn't a bad beat. It was my 99 vs KQ off. Dude hit his Q, but it was an all spade flop and I had one. So I was pissed he caught his card, then super pissed when I didn't catch mine. If I could have 1 session where I ran good, I'd feel better. I guess it is just not my time. Close, but no cigar. I know I am better than the people I play against. I look them up on sharkscope and the poker rankings and they are all losers. But when they play me it becomes lucky lotto day. I am tired of the luckbox catching against me, then donking the chips off to everyone else. Oh well, tomorrow is another day. Hopefully it will be my day.
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Post Posted: Tue, 27 Jan 2009, 10:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Short suck ass session. Only making hands when I'm beat. Flush lost to bigger flush, stacked. Set lost to bigger set, stacked (and it has been so long since I hit a set too). Roll down to $107.33. Calling it a night. Even though I feel like playing, I have to call it a night. Can't play through. That is something I said I would stop doing. I have a tendency to play longer when I am losing, walking away to protect my profits when I am winning. And I really, really feel like playing too. Those losses came fairly quickly. I haven't even played 100 hands. Normally I would try to play through, but I have been on tilt for a short while and I am pissed. So if I keep playing I'd probably just be donating. Steaming over here.
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nibbles wrote:
Set lost to bigger set
Don't worry about losing to set over set - it happens like 1% of the time you flop a set. Obviously it sucks and is little consolation when it happens, but keep it in mind. Only against a REALLY predictable player with a GREAT read could you lay that down in a cash game in my opinion. And don't forget that half the time, you'll have the higher set.
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Calling it a night. Even though I feel like playing, I have to call it a night. Can't play through. That is something I said I would stop doing. I have a tendency to play longer when I am losing, walking away to protect my profits when I am winning. And I really, really feel like playing too. Those losses came fairly quickly. I haven't even played 100 hands. Normally I would try to play through, but I have been on tilt for a short while and I am pissed. So if I keep playing I'd probably just be donating. Steaming over here.
If you're tilting, it IS time to quit. However, in my opinion, if you're not tilting, don't quit when you're losing unless you lose 5% of your roll. Also, DO NOT walk away BECAUSE you're winning either to protect your profits. That's a different kind of tilt, too, that you want to avoid.

Good luck turning it around.
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Thanks Jay. Gotta learn to cope with the swings of this game. Tonight (since I can't play in the freeroll) I'm just gonna play fixed limit hold 'em. At the micros it is pretty much no fold 'em hold 'em, but second best wont cost me as much. Probably play the 50 MTT as well.
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nibbles wrote:
Thanks Jay. Gotta learn to cope with the swings of this game. Tonight (since I can't play in the freeroll) I'm just gonna play fixed limit hold 'em. At the micros it is pretty much no fold 'em hold 'em, but second best wont cost me as much. Probably play the 50 MTT as well.


1. Stop being so short-term result focussed.
2. Read 'Poker Mindset' (will help with 1)
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Post Posted: Thu, 29 Jan 2009, 12:28am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Couldn't do the limit thing. No fold 'em hold 'em it was. Took my little 42 cents profit and ran. Played a $1 S&G and took second. Played the 50 cent MTT and finished 180+ place winning a buck fitty. What pisses me off (always pissed off) is I went out the same way in both games. Heads up, blind vs blind, I am dealt Ax and villain is dealt bigger ace, and the ace hits. Poker really is a b*tch. There is always something. If it is not one thing it's the next. Anywho...

Stayed away from the cash tables tonight, but I am wide awake so I might do a session on the penny tables until I fall asleep.
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Post Posted: Fri, 30 Jan 2009, 2:03am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Played 1 single table S&G (finished 4th AK vs A4) and played one 25 cent 90 man S&G paid 12 places (finished 16th AA vs KQ). No griping. Not even posting in my vent thread. But in the short term, I am just shoving my AA/KK pre-flop. Better to win a small pot than lose a big one. I am doing just fine profit wise until I get premium hands lately. Lost half buy in at ring game. Roll back down to $107. Till tomorrow. I can't believe how crazy this is.
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Just keep going dude. I've been grinding 2nl for THREE MONTHS almost now. I'm not quitting. I'm just gonna keep going. I've been stuck at $40-50 for all of January. Literally, I've made maybe $2 profit in January. Even talking to a friend who has sweated me multiple times told me he can't believe how often I get sucked out on/lose when I'm ahead.

Obviously, I don't play perfect poker, no one does, but I do a fair job, and know I can crush 2nl. Just like you can crush 5nl. Just gotta play through these BE stretches man. I'll be there with you in no time. You wait. Smile Then we can see who the bigger nit is Wink

Good luck buddy! Seems like we're both having our fair share of BS.
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what the poop NIBBLES!!! Where you at dude? I'm sittin here grinding my ass off (well not really but you know what I mean Wink). Seen you havent posted in about 2 weeks. Just checkin in on ya. I'm just reached $70+ tonight. Ship the $15 upswing imo. Hope you haven't quit on me man. GLGLGL
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I'm baaack. Took a real break from poker and accomplished some serious drinking while I was away. Spent a bunch of money though. Sad Anyway, I'm back to the grind. 1st real day back so I decided to ease into my game and played the good ole' 25 cent 90 man S&G. I took 1st place and won $6.20. Roll is back up to $113.

It felt good to play again. The break was well needed. Going from a casual player to an everyday grinder had taken its toll. I burned out and was no longer enjoying the game. I was so close to playing on tilt and donking my hard earned roll away that I had to get completely away from the game. I didn't read a poker book, I didn't come to this site, I didn't even watch poker on tv. All I did was catch up with friends and go out drinking. That was just what the doctor ordered and I am ready to resume my grind.

BTW, in this S&G I was dealt 3 big pocket pairs and they all held up, twice flopping top set, so it seems my bad run with them is over.

Till tomorrow
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Nice one nibbles, well done on taking that mtt down, a nice way to break yourself back into the grind! I'm with you on the whole taking a break aspect as well, they should be compulsory every couple of months!
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Didn't play yesterday, and just got eliminated from a $1 MTT. Got knocked out a little over 100 from the money. Mad at myself cos I lost a huge portion of my stack to a LAG that just HAPPENED to have a hand the same time I did. His LAG style made me call his pre-flop open shove with JJ (he had KK), then it was just a matter of time till I got eliminated.

I will play a ring session a little later at 5NL. Only 1 buy in for this session.
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I am really wondering if I have the right temperament for poker. I am as pissed off now as I was 3 weeks ago, and I didn't even lose today. Won a ring game buck then played a $1 S&G and took 3rd. But the tough beats are stuck in my head. So many of villain's desperation plays work against me. Anywho, gonna do another ring session b4 I call it a night. It feels like I will be stuck at 100 for a while.
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Played a 150 hand ring session and won just under $5. Decided to play the $1 MTT and got knocked out on a bluff. I am so pissed and I need to control my emotions when I play. I am pissed cos villain made a bad but correct call. I'm not an experienced bluffer (pretty much a NIT). I've been trying to dial up my aggression so I can actually win one of these MTTs. I'm tired of just cashing for the essential double-up after 2+ hours of play.

Villain has had success with his push and catch style of play. He has raised from various positions with broadways, including from BB with KJs.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.10 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) (t1970)
MP2 (t2260)
MP3 (t2500)
CO (t1245)
Button (t3555)
SB (t2975)
BB (t4155)
UTG (t4230)
UTG+1 (t590)

Hero's M: 26.27

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, Q
UTG bets t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t200, 1 fold, MP3 calls t200, 3 folds, BB calls t150

Flop: (t825) 6, 10, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t300, Hero raises to t600, MP3 calls t600, 1 fold, UTG calls t300

Turn: (t2625) 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t1170 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG calls t1170

River: (t4965) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t4965

What got me so mad was how long and hard this guy thought about calling me with his AK. When the time clock started I knew I ran a successful semi. Does my bluff scream "draw"? I dunno. All I know is I'm pissed, and I shouldn't be as I'm up for the day (so far). Should be able to shake it off. It is never easy.

Gonna hit the cash games again a little later. See if I can squeeze out another double-up. Still grinding.
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I'm actually surprised that he waited to call. That means he was actually thinking about it. (Or perhaps looked away). You can almost never get someone to fold TPTK at the microstakes. I find that bluffing only works at these stakes if the villain has hit nothing and even then sometimes it won't work. That's what makes it profitable. When you hit two-pair or a straight, these guys will pay you off big time.
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I'm actually surprised that he waited to call. That means he was actually thinking about it. (Or perhaps looked away). You can almost never get someone to fold TPTK at the microstakes. I find that bluffing only works at these stakes if the villain has hit nothing and even then sometimes it won't work. That's what makes it profitable. When you hit two-pair or a straight, these guys will pay you off big time.


Sorry but didn't the guy only have AK here therefore he didn't have a pair? Seems like a bad call by him as I don't think he could have put you on a draw. I think he was just clicking and hoping as most microstakers do with AK. Good try though. Out of curiousity what did you put him on Nibbles?
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The min-raise on the flop makes your hand look like a draw, as a made hand would probably raise more to price out the draw.

Probably should have just called the flop as you were getting good odds, raising opens the door to him blowing you off your hand on the flop.

As played, try to see a cheap river not a good spot to bluff due to stack sizes and the min-raise on the flop.
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You're right, my bad. I thought the Kc was on the flop. I think the big thing to think about here is that some people just won't fold. You can't make them fold. I've gone through the same frustration and still do. WTF? How could they make that call with a A-J without hitting and a flush on the board? They just do. And in the long run, it's great that they do, as long as you adjust to them.
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Consuitors, I put villain on two face cards. He had raised a few times with KQ, QJ, and once from the BB with KJs. He could have had an overpair, but i figured against that as he only called my raise facing two opponents on a drawy board. When he checked the turn I was positive he only had two overcards and I could easily be ahead of him (KJ, QJ in his range).

Demon, chasing a draw on a board villain likely missed seems weak to me. I had reason to believe I was actually ahead on flop. My flop min raise was a feeler for his possible overpair. If villain shoves, meh, next hand. I hate chasing in tournaments.
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Consuitors, I put villain on two face cards. He had raised a few times with KQ, QJ, and once from the BB with KJs. He could have had an overpair, but i figured against that as he only called my raise facing two opponents on a drawy board. When he checked the turn I was positive he only had two overcards and I could easily be ahead of him (KJ, QJ in his range).

Demon, chasing a draw on a board villain likely missed seems weak to me. I had reason to believe I was actually ahead on flop. My flop min raise was a feeler for his possible overpair. If villain shoves, meh, next hand. I hate chasing in tournaments.


Have a think about how you played this, I disagree with your play on every street.

If you really think you are ahead you should shove this (I don't think you are ahead enough and you still have a player behind you to worry about). Min-raising with the plan to fold to a shove is much worse than calling the original raise, as you still have a lot of equity against an overpair. Min-raising also decreases your fold equity on the turn (because you don't have a big enough bet and you have indicated you may have the draw).

What did you think you were representing by min-raising/shoving. I accept that you thought he had unpaired overs but what did you want him to think you had?
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Demon, I often make that same play with medium pocket pairs when flop seems to have missed pre-flop raiser (have seen numerous other players do this as well). UTG raise usually means big PP or big slick / AQ. Overpairs will usually re-raise on flop, overcards sometimes fold, but often call and check turn. When villain called my raise and checked the turn is when I felt I was ahead. On the flop I had no idea, but on overpair would have definitely re-raised me on the flop as he was facing two opponents. I wanted him to think I had a medium pocket pair or possibly paired the ten.

With my stack size, calling off my chips would have been the worst thing. Sure i had odds on the flop, but I would most likely have been priced out on the turn. I would have called off 25% of my stack by the flop (started hand with 2000 chips, called 200 pf, flop bet was 300), and his turn bet would have been 500 at the very least (probably more) so more than half my stack would be gone on a draw. Let's pretend I hit my draw, how often would I get paid off by ace high? The way I played it gave me the best chance to win, I thought based on my read. I guess my mistake was trying to bluff a calling station.
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Demon, I often make that same play with medium pocket pairs when flop seems to have missed pre-flop raiser (have seen numerous other players do this as well). UTG raise usually means big PP or big slick / AQ. Overpairs will usually re-raise on flop, overcards sometimes fold, but often call and check turn. When villain called my raise and checked the turn is when I felt I was ahead. On the flop I had no idea, but on overpair would have definitely re-raised me on the flop as he was facing two opponents. I wanted him to think I had a medium pocket pair or possibly paired the ten.

With my stack size, calling off my chips would have been the worst thing. Sure i had odds on the flop, but I would most likely have been priced out on the turn. I would have called off 25% of my stack by the flop (started hand with 2000 chips, called 200 pf, flop bet was 300), and his turn bet would have been 500 at the very least (probably more) so more than half my stack would be gone on a draw. Let's pretend I hit my draw, how often would I get paid off by ace high? The way I played it gave me the best chance to win, I thought based on my read. I guess my mistake was trying to bluff a calling station.


Ok, I tried. Keep going the way you are going.

Good luck with it (I think you will probably need it).
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Big nothing day. Made a few pennies. Pretty much card dead. Roll sits at $116. Only played 127 hands, didn't feel for poker. So I'm not gonna force it. $116 is a long way from the 5 bucks I started with that my friend loaned me. Come to think of it, I haven't paid him back. I'll ship it to him when I hit $200, lol. Calling it a night. don't wanna burn out on poker again.

Till tomorrow.
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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 10:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nibbles haven't checked in on you in a long time. You've made good progress since I did last check in. Have you made the move upto 5nl yet. Sorry but I didn't have time to read all through the thread. If not when do you plan on moving up?
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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 11:43pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hey Harley! I've been bouncing between both 2NL and 5NL. All depends on how I feel. Today I've been playing 2NL and working on expanding my game. I've pretty much been playing nitty fit or fold poker, which works at 2NL. But at 5NL I haven't been getting paid off as much. So I've been working on my floating / bluffing / moves. Check this one out. Villain seemed pretty solid.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($2.18)
MP2 ($6.24)
CO ($2.37)
Button ($0.82)
SB ($5.67)
BB ($5.62)
Hero (UTG) ($2.18)
UTG+1 ($0.54)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 9
Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB bets $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) 9, K, 10 (3 players)
SB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.68) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24

River: ($1.16) A (2 players)
SB bets $0.28, Hero raises to $1.66 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $1.72 | Rake: $0.05

I put him on big slick and was looking to catch him if my 9 hit or 2 pair, and would bluff if the spade came. When river gave him 2 pair I considered abandoning my bluff, but said what the hell. I normally attempt bluffs when I feel my opponent is weak (but still ahead of me), but I never try to bluff them off a hand I KNOW they have. Until now, and the future. Gotta start making things happen instead of waiting for things to happen. I'm not as comfortable being as aggressive at 5NL. Remember, still a novice here, still learning.
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Try not to play suited connector's so much in EP, especially UTG. These type of hands play so much better when you are in position. They allow you to raise them PF, instead of just limping in which will give you more fold equity post flop, thus increasing your chances to take pots away.

Also, if you were putting him on AK, no way in hell you should have shoved that river regardless if you thought the bluff would work. Most of the people at 2nl will NEVER fold 2nd pair, let alone top two pair, even though the flush came in. I think he was probably on KQ or KJ and the Ace spooked him, not the flush, which is why he bet so small. Next time just fold this PF to the raise imo.
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Post Posted: Fri, 27 Feb 2009, 12:20am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Normally I wouldn't play that way, but opening up a bit. This was also one of those tables that allowed limpers to see the flop. When in Rome. I marked villain as a solid bluffable player. He and I have history (only means I have notes on him). He might have had KQs, or QQ, but from what I saw of him, he just completes with KJ. Also, why should I fold to pfr when I have position on him, and the cards that counter his likely holdings?

But the way I play normally (nit) I woulda mucked those cards before button rx'd his second card.
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I'm not saying you should ALWAYS fold that hand, just in that position. Hands like suited connectors play so much better when in position. Sure, you were in position on this guy, but what if he had been on the button? What would u have done then? Still call? Look it up on here if you have to, but I guarantee you that (the majority) of people will say to fold 89s PF UTG and in other early position spots. Start to limp or raise it when in MP2+.

I understand you want to open up, but you have to do it correctly.
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Post Posted: Fri, 27 Feb 2009, 1:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you're going to try opening your ranges up a bit, start doing it in late position and work your way back. Also if your going to open UTG I'd rather raise than call. You give away any fold equity you'd have from a raise if you just call.

EP ranges should be nitty and you don't need to add in SC's for balance at $2NL because no one pays attention to what you open with and theres quite a few stations so good luck repping a big hand postflop when you completely miss. Good luck repping a big hand without initiative either, although I see it worked out for you this *one time.

FWIW nits bring home the bacon in microstakes games.
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Argh! Took two bucks off the ring games tonite and decided to play S&G. Loss, loss, loss. Back down to $115. Oh well. Still card dead and tried to force progress. Needless to say, it didn't work out. Oh well, tomorrow is another day.
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Woke up at 4 this morning and couldn't fall back asleep. So of course I got online for some poker. 2NL for an hour and won just over 2 bucks. Then I got sleepy again and crashed. Home all day today so I plan on logging some major hands. See if I can hit 600 hands.
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237 hands down. Taking a break. Roll sits at $120.52. Feels pretty good to hit the 120 mark. Have a long way to go to hit 600 hands, but have plenty of time. Hopefully keeps going well.
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Post Posted: Sat, 28 Feb 2009, 1:52am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So much for 600 hands. I ate a big dinner and fell asleep. I woke up just b4 10 so I played the 25 cent MTT and finished 360 something and won a whopping 62 cents. Didn't feel for anymore ring games. All in all still a good day. Up close to 3 buy ins. Can't complain.
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Don't you hate when you drop half your stack early and spend the rest of the session grinding it back? Just knocked out a 100 hand session, taking a break b4 I grind the night away. Here are the key hands from my drop and recovery.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($0.79)
MP2 ($4.35)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($5.05)
Hero (SB) ($2.39)
BB ($2.20)
UTG ($4.81)
UTG+1 ($2.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 6
1 fold, UTG+1 checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) 8, 3, 2 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.06, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.18) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12

River: ($0.42) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, MP2 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.42

Total pot: $1.62 | Rake: $0.05

Villain had 66. I wasn't at table very long so didn't have a read, but deep down I knew I was beat but called anyway. Sigh

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MP1 ($1.27)
MP2 ($3.50)
CO ($4.42)
Button ($6.84)
Hero (SB) ($1.20)
BB ($1.64)
UTG ($6.19)
UTG+1 ($1.14)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.38) K, K, 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.58) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.58 | Rake: $0


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BB ($4.52)
UTG ($4.40)
UTG+1 ($6.84)
Hero (MP1) ($1.56)
MP2 ($1.62)
CO ($6.09)
Button ($3.97)
SB ($1.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, J
2 folds, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.15) J, A, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.31) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.30

River: ($1.31) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.92 (All-In), CO calls $0.92

Total pot: $3.15 | Rake: $0.15

Villain had big slick. Ended the session up a buck (1/2 buy in) but I feel pretty good about it. Not playing any MTT tonight, all ring games.
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Hand 1- How do you KNOW you are beat here? Depending on how aggro the opponent is, he could be thinking you are betting a busted flush draw, or bluffing one himself, A8 or AT could play like this, but then again, I'm used to 6-max and really retarded plays by people lol.

Hand 2- What makes you c/c flop then donk turn?

Hand 3- nh sir
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Hand 1- How do you KNOW you are beat here?

It was just a feeling. I called for all the reasons you listed.

Hand 2- What makes you c/c flop then donk turn?

I played it like I would if I had AK. The board was so dry I wouldn't c-bet that flop. I only called the flop bet to allow the BB to call. I took control on the turn as I would if I had AK. Also villain might not bet again, or worse make a crazy large bet that I couldn't call. Just seemed like the best way to play it.

Ended last night up another dollar and change. Roll is at $122.90. Fell asleep playing. Gonna do another session today. In addition to cash, will likely throw in a MTT or S&G. Today feels like it will be a good day. Smile
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Hand 1 I might check call sometimes here, but I like that blocking bet. The only problem is, it isn't a blocking bet anymore if you call the raise.
I think the line you take though would depend alot on the opponent. If against a station just bet, if against someone who's agg perhaps check to induce a bluff.

Hand 2 I usually get stuck in these spots so I can't really comment.

Hand 3 played well imo, I'm pretty sure your almost always ahead here.
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Mac, ur right. A check call on the river would have been the better play there in hand #1. A missed flush draw wouldn't pay me off, if villain hit his 10 he would likely value bet the river (which woulda been much cheaper than the 60 cents gave up there). I have been having trouble value betting rivers lately (actually not betting when I was ahead and missing out on monies) so I guess I still need to work on it.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($5.42)
UTG ($4.45)
Hero (MP) ($2.44)
CO ($0.98)
Button ($1.38)
SB ($6.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2, A
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) 7, 6, K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.08) 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.04, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.32) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.32 | Rake: $0

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $0.32

I sooooo wanted to call just to see what he had (he coulda had a smaller flush), but felt that the player I am trying to become wouldn't make that call. Kinda pissed at the runner runner though, as I don't flop nut flushes that often.

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UTG ($5.31)
MP1 ($4.81)
MP2 ($4.57)
Hero (CO) ($2.33)
Button ($0.96)
SB ($1.28)
BB ($6.59)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB bets $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $1.28 (All-In), Hero calls $0.88

Flop: ($2.60) J, 7, 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2.60) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.60) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.60 | Rake: $0.10

Results:
SB had 10, 10 (two pair, tens and sevens).
Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $2.50

Here, I was laying a trap for the BB. He was bullying the table and saw flops even though his pfr was 3 bet by opponents (was hitting). Do you guys feel that slow playing big pp from this late a position is too risky / potentially wasteful of a powerful hand regardless of read? I've been pissed about my big pp not holding up lately and then I pull this crap. Smile
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Obviously, if you had a read that the guy raised a decent percentage and you felt he would raise, then this is perfectly fine, but I think you could have just raised straight out and it still would have wound up like this, except you would have been putting him all in instead of him shoving lol.
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Decent night. Once again I failed to log the number of hands I planned on, but such is life. Up a little over a buy in in 168 hands. Roll sits at $125.16. The snow is really coming down so something tells me I wont be feeling well tomorrow, so hopefully I can put some hands in and win like 10 bucks or something while I stay at home all day. For some reason I haven't played 5NL at all this weekend. Actually the reason is I am trying to expand my game and you don't move up to do that. I said it before, I'm in no rush. It is not about the money yet, it is about learning and growing as a player. When I was playing 5NL I wasn't getting paid off on my hands. I was a bit too straight forward with my play and very tight / nit nitty. Game still needs alot of work. And it wouldn't hurt to pad my roll a little more. Long short, I guess I'm just comfortable here for now. No rush. Till tomorrow.
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