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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 8:52pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| Lukie wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | Oh, and one more thing is oil and the fact that its running out. This is a huge problem, yet neither party seems to know about it and / or care. There is very little public awareness. Most people are under the impression that we can go on guzzling gas for the next 200 years with out a problem. Even if this where to be the truth, now would be the time to start switching over to another energy source. And also people dont understand that we will never run out of oil, because the world infrastructure will crumble before we can suck the last reserves dry. We are not just talking about gas for your car, but products like plastics, something that we currently cant live without. And something that every other current and prospective energy source needs to be harnessed in the quantities we need.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but this is a pretty big deal, and everyone seems to just brush it off. Problems like this are what governments should busy themselves with, not trying to colonize the middle east :-\ |
Do you see the irony in your statement? |
hes on the "no blood for oil" bandwagon
lets speak reality here... if we want to maintain our current quality and standard of living, we need to be able to leverage ourselves in the middle east. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:00pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| boostNslide wrote: | yes but Im not saying that we give everyone everything. Jesus its like everyone is so retarded. You are painting me as a full blown fucking communist. Its like the idea of something anywhere inbetween is completely wrong to you. If you cant see that capitalism is good, but still inherantly flawed, then you are blind.
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Capitalism is not flawed in anyway.
Lets take america for example.. If you cannot find a way to succeed in america, you need to take a closer look at the decisions you made in life.
with communism... everyone recieves the same sort of money... that completely kills motivation.
whats the motivation for me to be an engineer, when i can do nothing, smoke pot all day, and work at mcdonalds and make the same money as an engineer?
how is it fair, to support the people who are lazy by breaking the backs of people who go out and strive to make a serious change in thier lives?
Capitalism rewards the hard working and the motivated and innovative.
while communism rewards the lazy at the expense of the hard working ? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:24pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| boostNslide wrote: | There are some very non-ignorant comparisons to be made, no Im not going to go into them, instead Ill give you an unrelated example.
Despite the fact that phrase "thats like comparing apples to oranges" means that the comparison is without merit. The simple fact is that these two things are very comparable. They are both seedbearing fruit, they are both more or less spherical in shape (depending on the variety), their juices are very popular, ect. Sure they are not the same, there are many differences, however Im not calling the apple an orange, Im merely comparing the two diffent entities by pointing out similarities.
So when people compare hitler to bush, its a silly rebuttle to point out the differences between the two. |
comparing bush to hitler is no way comparing apples and oranges... its not even comparing baseball to soccer.. comparing bush to hitler is not even the same league.. hell its not even the same sport.
You are comparing Bush to a tyrannical dictactor hell bent on taking over the world...
i really would like to hear your logic behind the perverse comparison of bush and hitler.. the two are so far apart its absurd to even imagine otherwise. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:29pm Post subject: |
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| Element187 wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | yes but Im not saying that we give everyone everything. Jesus its like everyone is so retarded. You are painting me as a full blown fucking communist. Its like the idea of something anywhere inbetween is completely wrong to you. If you cant see that capitalism is good, but still inherantly flawed, then you are blind.
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Capitalism is not flawed in anyway.
Lets take america for example.. If you cannot find a way to succeed in america, you need to take a closer look at the decisions you made in life.
with communism... everyone recieves the same sort of money... that completely kills motivation.
whats the motivation for me to be an engineer, when i can do nothing, smoke pot all day, and work at mcdonalds and make the same money as an engineer?
how is it fair, to support the people who are lazy by breaking the backs of people who go out and strive to make a serious change in thier lives?
Capitalism rewards the hard working and the motivated and innovative.
while communism rewards the lazy at the expense of the hard working ? |
ugh
ur making the biggest generalizations ever
ever heard of dworkin?
Rawls
Nozick?
How are u going to distirbute results of the natural lottery? Social lottery? Are all people born int he same financial situations?
Do all people have the same opportunities?
Capitalism has so many flaws.
Not to say its not the best of wat is available, but to say that it is perfect is ... well wrong. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:30pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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| vqc wrote: | | Element187 wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | yes but Im not saying that we give everyone everything. Jesus its like everyone is so retarded. You are painting me as a full blown fucking communist. Its like the idea of something anywhere inbetween is completely wrong to you. If you cant see that capitalism is good, but still inherantly flawed, then you are blind.
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Capitalism is not flawed in anyway.
Lets take america for example.. If you cannot find a way to succeed in america, you need to take a closer look at the decisions you made in life.
with communism... everyone recieves the same sort of money... that completely kills motivation.
whats the motivation for me to be an engineer, when i can do nothing, smoke pot all day, and work at mcdonalds and make the same money as an engineer?
how is it fair, to support the people who are lazy by breaking the backs of people who go out and strive to make a serious change in thier lives?
Capitalism rewards the hard working and the motivated and innovative.
while communism rewards the lazy at the expense of the hard working ? |
ugh
ur making the biggest generalizations ever
ever heard of dworkin?
Rawls
Nozick?
How are u going to distirbute results of the natural lottery? Social lottery? Are all people born int he same financial situations?
Do all people have the same opportunities?
Capitalism has so many flaws.
Not to say its not the best of wat is available, but to say that it is perfect is ... well wrong. |
how is rewarding the hardworking a flaw ?
capitalism is the only way to get out of poverty. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:35pm Post subject: |
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| Element187 wrote: | | vqc wrote: | | Element187 wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | yes but Im not saying that we give everyone everything. Jesus its like everyone is so retarded. You are painting me as a full blown fucking communist. Its like the idea of something anywhere inbetween is completely wrong to you. If you cant see that capitalism is good, but still inherantly flawed, then you are blind.
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Capitalism is not flawed in anyway.
Lets take america for example.. If you cannot find a way to succeed in america, you need to take a closer look at the decisions you made in life.
with communism... everyone recieves the same sort of money... that completely kills motivation.
whats the motivation for me to be an engineer, when i can do nothing, smoke pot all day, and work at mcdonalds and make the same money as an engineer?
how is it fair, to support the people who are lazy by breaking the backs of people who go out and strive to make a serious change in thier lives?
Capitalism rewards the hard working and the motivated and innovative.
while communism rewards the lazy at the expense of the hard working ? |
ugh
ur making the biggest generalizations ever
ever heard of dworkin?
Rawls
Nozick?
How are u going to distirbute results of the natural lottery? Social lottery? Are all people born int he same financial situations?
Do all people have the same opportunities?
Capitalism has so many flaws.
Not to say its not the best of wat is available, but to say that it is perfect is ... well wrong. |
how is rewarding the hardworking a flaw ?
capitalism is the only way to get out of poverty. |
becuase ur making it seem as if effort = monetary success.
like working for X hours automatically results in Y success.
It does not. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:36pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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| Element187 wrote: |
You are comparing Bush to a tyrannical dictactor hell bent on taking over the world...
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:41pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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| And thank you vqc. Element I think, and I dont mean this as an attack, you are way too zelous(sp?) to really combat what Ive said. I think anyone looking at this in an objective manner will agree capitalism is flawed. How flawed? How to fix it? Is there anyway to make it better then it is? Those are all up for debate. Possibly there is no way to make it dramatically better, however that does not make it perfect. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:51pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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i want to say stuff in this thread but i feel like its too much and i'm going to end up writing more than i want. so i just might pick and prod at specific stuff.
"Are all people born int he same financial situations?
Do all people have the same opportunities? "
I would argue that everyone has the opportunity to be at least mildly successful. Everyone goes to high school. If you do well in high school, you can go to college. Even a community college if you have to. There are plenty of jobs you can get even from community college that are hella better than minimum wage. And, there are a lot of manual labor jobs right now, look at hispanic people, they eat up construction jobs, and these jobs pay nicely. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 9:51pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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| Element187 wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | Oh, and one more thing is oil and the fact that its running out. This is a huge problem, yet neither party seems to know about it and / or care. There is very little public awareness. Most people are under the impression that we can go on guzzling gas for the next 200 years with out a problem. Even if this where to be the truth, now would be the time to start switching over to another energy source. And also people dont understand that we will never run out of oil, because the world infrastructure will crumble before we can suck the last reserves dry. We are not just talking about gas for your car, but products like plastics, something that we currently cant live without. And something that every other current and prospective energy source needs to be harnessed in the quantities we need.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but this is a pretty big deal, and everyone seems to just brush it off. Problems like this are what governments should busy themselves with, not trying to colonize the middle east :-\ |
Do you see the irony in your statement? |
hes on the "no blood for oil" bandwagon
lets speak reality here... if we want to maintain our current quality and standard of living, we need to be able to leverage ourselves in the middle east. |
First of all if you read up on "peak oil crisis" you will see that controlling the oil that is left is a moot point. Im not going to try and explain it again, if you want to see what Im saying, google it.
The problem with your thought process is that even if oil wasnt running out, its still amoral to kill someone for material goods/wealth. Like, are you listening to yourself? I dont see how you can argue that its ok to go to war because they have what we want. Thats just an obscene way to think. Because we want to live like kings, its ok to go and kill people who have what we need to do so?
My neighbor has a new sports car, I want it, so Im going to go shoot his bitch ass and drive off into the sunset. Good idea eh? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:09pm Post subject: |
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Strike 3
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:11pm Post subject: |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2005
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| Greedo017 wrote: | i want to say stuff in this thread but i feel like its too much and i'm going to end up writing more than i want. so i just might pick and prod at specific stuff.
"Are all people born int he same financial situations?
Do all people have the same opportunities? "
I would argue that everyone has the opportunity to be at least mildly successful. Everyone goes to high school. If you do well in high school, you can go to college. Even a community college if you have to. There are plenty of jobs you can get even from community college that are hella better than minimum wage. And, there are a lot of manual labor jobs right now, look at hispanic people, they eat up construction jobs, and these jobs pay nicely. |
We can debate the extent of which equal opportunities exist which is fine. I dont disagree wiht u, Im a voting republican so on and so forth.
I only brought up the issues becuase I thought that it was ridiculous to say that we were living in a unflawed structure of society, and I pointed out a flaw. Just the fact that we can debate on the EXTENT of equality of opportunity, goes to show that identical equality does not exist.
I had chem AP at my school. THere was noather school in my district that did not have chem AP provided.
THere we go. Unequal opportunities. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:22pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| boostNslide wrote: | | So thats where they subject the masses to thier brainwash machine, college!!! |
Education in America is actually quite liberal... |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:24pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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| boostNslide wrote: | | Element187 wrote: |
You are comparing Bush to a tyrannical dictactor hell bent on taking over the world...
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what are you suggesting here?
Bush wants to take over the world??
Wow... quite a lofty goal, considering he only has 3 years left in office.
If he can take over the world in 3 years, i'll believe you..
could you once in your brain comprehend the real reason why america is in the middle east?
i'll give you a small hint.... america is in iraq... if we were an "imperialist" nation like hitlers germany, we would annex the land and call it part of america... we removed the dictactor, and helping to let the people of iraq decide how they want to be governed... if we were imperialist in anyway, there would be no push to make Iraq a democractic nation.
any other accusation of america being an imperialist, just expresses your own ignorance. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:30pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| boostNslide wrote: |
My neighbor has a new sports car, I want it, so Im going to go shoot his bitch ass and drive off into the sunset. Good idea eh? |
comparing oil to a sports car is completely absurd.
oil is not a commodity that only one person enjoys.
Keeping Oil out of the hands of Saddam, Bin Laden, Zarqawi is possibility the most critical issues of our time.
So we should leave the worlds massive oil reserves in the hands of Iran, Syria, Saddam, Bin Laden/Zarqawi ?
It's absurd to think you actually trust your financial future in those who are hell bent on destroying it. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:33pm Post subject: |
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| Lukie wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | | So thats where they subject the masses to thier brainwash machine, college!!! |
Education in America is actually quite liberal... |
90% or more of american universities teach a mostly liberal point of view, with completely depressing any conservative views..
If any brainwashing is going on in college, look to the statistics, of the overwhelming professors being liberal |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:34pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Ripptyde wrote: | can somebody lock this thread already before we ignite a full blown cyber riot
I saw this coming a mile away as soon as the poll was posted |
Why lock it? It's not like anything ridiculous is being said.
Locking just makes people take their frustration out on other threads. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:38pm Post subject: |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2005
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| Lukie wrote: | | Ripptyde wrote: | can somebody lock this thread already before we ignite a full blown cyber riot
I saw this coming a mile away as soon as the poll was posted |
Why lock it? It's not like anything ridiculous is being said.
Locking just makes people take their frustration out on other threads. |
there doesnt need to be a lockage as long as people are level headed about this.
I am a voting conservative and I am happy here =).
Element please answer my questions. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 10:41pm Post subject: |
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| vqc wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | boostNslide wrote: | just remember, as we age we dont always mature...
I respect your observation lukie, just dont want to let it be implied that to be liberal is to be immature  | For example, in the United States, it is a statistical fact that the more formal education somebody receives, the more likely they are to vote Republican. |
I would like to point out some problems with ur statement here.
The more formal education, the more likely to vote republican.
This statement implies that the more you learn the more u are liekly to vote for republicans. Which is then implying that the the more u learn about hte world, the more likely u are to vote in a certain way.
One thing that the statistics fails to point out is that
The more education u have the more liekly u are to t | | | |
