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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:10pm Post subject: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me (full ring 25 NL)
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

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According to PT those hands are big losers for me, however I only have like 6,000 hands. If these stats are true my resolve is this.
- fold KQ and AJ UTG and UTG +1 (Stats also show I lose a lot UTG with these hands.)
- play TT only for set value in EP and MP, raise in LP.
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Last edited by IowaSkinsFan on Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 12:45pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:14pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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6max or fr?
fr are all limps for me i think, or possibly even open fold. Of course if its a tight table then id prob raise hoping to steal or c-bet the flop. Really dependant on table structure
One problem i think these hands hold isnt necessarily domination but that when you hit tp with AJ or KQ you get called down a lot and its diffciult to find the difference on later streets between opponents putting you on missed overs or actually having a hand. Perhaps we overplay them a bit?
6max all are a raise without question in any position apart from sb perhaps
They certainly shudnt be losers imo |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:18pm Post subject:
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Straight

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| 6-MAX raise k-q any position?? |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:20pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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| dwags222 wrote: | | 6-MAX raise k-q any position?? | u limp KQo in 6max??!?!? |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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| dwags222 wrote: | | 6-MAX raise k-q any position?? |
yeah.. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:25pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER

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| They're all winners for me over 20K hands. I think your sample size is too small. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:39pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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6max, database 200k
KQo/KQs
+0.5bbs won per time dealt
AJo/AJs
+0.35bbs won pre time dealt.
If this was KJo/KJs then yeah, that hand sucks oop but KQ/AJ?
Fr with these hands is still a great/classic strategy discussion. 6max id argue hardly so, its raising hand imo. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:41pm Post subject: aj kq 1010
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Flush

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at a six max these are all playable hands from any position (in most situation) Try raising the pot preflop to reduce the callers, these hands lose value multiway. I would fold aj and kq if there was a ep raise and a call, simply because i dont feel comfortable playing top pair 3 handed from the ep. I would probably reraise the ten and bet big on the flop (if no ace) but be prepared to lay it down if im played back at. I think your problem that you see flops with too many other players.
This is for six max, at a FR i dont know how to play cash games...In a tourny id fold from the ep and open with all three...i might raise ep with the tens tho, depends on stacks |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:45pm Post subject:
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Straight

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I will raise k-q +1 to the button when folded to me most of the time...becoming more likely as i move toward the button, and limp w/ it the rest of the time. i would never raise k-q in the blinds unless the game was playing pretty tight or i had a tight image and or everyone was weak.
i guess if i had recently showed down a big hand w/ a big pot i might raise also. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 4:50pm Post subject: kq
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Flush

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| i agree with your blind play but why would you limp with kq from utg...you see a 59k flop with 6 callers then you have no idea where you stand. I say this is an easy raise/fold situation |
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Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 12:04am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

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| lol no, I Play full ring.[/b] |
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Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 12:33am Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | lol no full ring. | if its full ring then we'll be here all day.
Its a classic.
On a tight table i will open UTg with KQ/AJ (esp sooted ) whereas at a loose table ill probably open fold AJ/KQo utg but ill limp with the sooted verison in hope that the table is loose passive and ill catch a flop and a fish with a worse hand |
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Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 1:43am Post subject:
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Full House

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| Miffed22001 wrote: | | whereas at a loose table ill probably open fold AJ/KQo utg but ill limp with the sooted verison in hope that the table is loose passive and ill catch a flop and a fish with a worse hand |
to complete the thought...
"but I'll fold to any respectable raise, given the caveat that the raiser is respectable."
Given that completion (which is implied but unstated), I fully agree with your FR AJ/KQ treatment at both loose and tight tables. |
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Posted: Sat, 01 Jul 2006, 1:50am Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.
| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | According to PT those hands are big losers for me, however I only have like 6,000 hands. If these stats are true my resolve is this.
- fold KQ and AJ UTG and UTG +1 (Stats also show I lose a lot UTG with these hands.)
- play TT only for set value in EP and MP, raise in LP.
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This is way too weak IMO. In a 6-max game, TT should be an auto-raise in an unraised pot. No way you should only be playing it just for set value. I also open raise KQ/AJ, but sometimes if I'm UTG or something and there's a tough player on the button, I'll fold a hand like KQo and not think twice about it.
Post-flop, these hands can be tough to play out of position, but that's just the nature of the game.  |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 8:03am Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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| Lukie wrote: |
i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.
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I read it as
| Quote: | | lol no. Full ring. |
meaning the exact opposite of what you said.
=) |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 8:11am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER

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At full ring I toss AJo in the first two positions and I raise AJs. Same with KQ/KQs. In other positions raise them like anything else. They are both very playable hands. KQ is one of my favorite hands because since your raise reps Ax you actually have three cards that can bail you out on the flop.
TT is a raise in all positions and a bet / bet / bet/ fold to any raise type of hand a lot of the time. Just be prepared to let it go in overpair v. overpair confrontations. |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 8:58am Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH

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um, if you win one big pot with any of these hands, are they still losers?
I think you're jumping the gun on this one over just 6k hands. |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 11:30am Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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| Pelion wrote: | | Lukie wrote: |
i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.
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I read it as
| Quote: | | lol no. Full ring. |
meaning the exact opposite of what you said.
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lol, no full ring
lol no, full ring
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 11:35am Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

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| Lukie wrote: | | Pelion wrote: | | Lukie wrote: |
i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.
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I read it as
| Quote: | | lol no. Full ring. |
meaning the exact opposite of what you said.
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lol, no full ring
lol no, full ring
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I play full ring.
I'm going to assume your exclusively an poopyhead. |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 12:30pm Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | Pelion wrote: | | Lukie wrote: |
i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.
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I read it as
| Quote: | | lol no. Full ring. |
meaning the exact opposite of what you said.
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lol, no full ring
lol no, full ring
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I play full ring.
I'm going to assume your exclusively an poopyhead. |
um, ok. I was honestly confused by the way you worded it and I was trying to make a funny spin off on it. |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 12:43pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

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| Yeah it's fine. Maybe i'll edit the topic so it's clearer. |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 12:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 1:28pm Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | I'm going to assume your exclusively an poopyhead. |
huh? |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 3:20pm Post subject: Re: KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me.
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4-of-a-Kind

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| jackvance wrote: | | IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | I'm going to assume your exclusively an poopyhead. |
huh? |
I think my "lol, no full ring; lol no, full ring" comment was a bit over the top.  |
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Posted: Sun, 02 Jul 2006, 10:39pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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| I usually always raise TT in all unraised pots, and I'll fold stuff like KQo/AJo from EP, and usually raise them from MP on. That's a rough guideline but approximates how I'd usually play. |
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