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fumblewumble
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 12:48pm    Post subject: KK vs reraise Reply with quote
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All right. After a big losing streak last month I've decided I need to do something about my play. So far I've only read posts here, not shared my trouble hands, mostly because I'm sorta embarassed over when things go wrong/bad reads. But, as they say, only one way of learning, so criticize away...

Villain here is unknown to me, just came into the table. 120 hands later he reads at 18/15/3, but that ofc won't help me this hand.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($78.13)
UTG 1 ($112.09)
CO ($110.53)
BTN ($135.74)
Hero (SB) ($111.69)
BB ($34.43)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB King of Hearts King of Diamonds
UTG raises to $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.50

Flop: Two of Clubs Three of Diamonds Three of Clubs ($22, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $11, Hero raises to $27.50, UTG goes all-in $56.63, $29.13 to Hero ($73.69)?



I'm figuring he's on an overpair or a flushdraw, though the 4 hands that beat me, AA, 22, 33 or 32creeps up in my mind. And that has been my problem lately, I get insecure about big hands. Call all-in right play?
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griffey24
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you lead out on flop (which you should do pretty often) and he shoves all-in, you're not folding.

Let alone if you c/r this flop, and he shoves all-in. Now you're DEFINITELY not folding.

If someone said they'd pay you $50 to fold, I still wouldn't fold!

ok you get the point. It's only $29 more to you in a big pot, so this is an insta call and you should be VERY happy to make it. He will have tons of overpairs worse than yours and flush draws etc etc.
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dranger7070
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:22pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I agree with griffey on this one. There is no way you can get away from this hand here. Too often he is gonna have a flush draw or a lower overpair than yours. Hope you called and it worked out for the best.
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kmind
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Same as what they said. I expect he had AA for some reason.
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fumblewumble
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yep, he showed up AA on the showdown, and no K to help me out. I snapcalled that raise and just wanted some confirmation that I did the right thing, although it cost me 3/4 of my stack.
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nutsinho
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
midstakes donk
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come on....seriously....
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ATOTHEC101
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 1:59pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This is the most standard hand ever, you should be delighted to get it in here.
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AFchung
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 2:40pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i'm sure he raised with 23o or 3x here

-______-

this is probably one of the sweetest flops to get it in on. watch 44-QQ stack off to you
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a500lbgorilla
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 3:04pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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I would fold. You can find a better spot.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 3:30pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Snap call....fist pump.

3bet pot, KK, safe board. If his calling 3bets with 22 or A3s or some kinda 3, thats a huge leak. His range consists of soooo many hands that you are beating. Try not to be result oriented.

Also this is super standard and you should not be second guessing yourself here.

I like leading out flop much better than C/R it.
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Silly String
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 6:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you didn't get this in pre-flop, it's going in post on a board like this. Call it a cooler. PLEASE note up this pussy for min-raising UTG with AA.
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XTR1000
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 6:31pm    Post subject: Re: KK vs reraise Reply with quote
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fumblewumble wrote:
mostly because I'm sorta embarassed over when things go wrong/bad reads


Im usually very happy to post embarrassing hands.
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jo
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 7:29pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you're playing 6-handed your KK will run into AA about every 4400 hands or so, and you're a big favorite to lose your stack, often times preflop, sometimes on the flop. Just factor that in to the cost of doing business with KK.
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Alexos
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 7:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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HE HAS A THREEE!!!
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kmind
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 12:55am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Alexos wrote:
HE HAS A THREEE!!!

i beat you imo
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baudib
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 3:47am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You're getting like 4-1 on the call and you're going to be good here like...I dunno...98% of the time or more.
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minSim
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 5:58am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Is the c/r standard?
I'd probably just cbet/shove or push turn.
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ATOTHEC101
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 9:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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minSim wrote:
Is the c/r standard?
I'd probably just cbet/shove or push turn.


oppenent dependent
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minSim
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 9:49am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ATOTHEC101 wrote:
minSim wrote:
Is the c/r standard?
I'd probably just cbet/shove or push turn.


oppenent dependent

In which way?

Seeing that nobody said anything about the flop c/r I assume everybody thinks it's standard in this situation against the described villain. What's it about this particular hand that makes c/r > cbetting ?

Without history I think 90% of the players are betting this flop with like 90% of their holdings when we check after 3betting. (well, at least a lot)
But imo a c/r looks stronger than a bet-bet line, so I like bet-bet because imo it get's lighter stack-offs from most villains. It's also easier to balance than a c/r, imo.
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griffey24
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 11:08am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ATOTHEC101 wrote:
minSim wrote:
Is the c/r standard?
I'd probably just cbet/shove or push turn.


oppenent dependent


Yah I'd say opponent dependent. Some people perceive c/r's in 3bet pots to be exclusively draws, and stack off with the dumbest hands ever. Stacking off lighter than they would had you just bet flop bet turn.
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Da GOAT
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 11:15am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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this a great flop to stack off on
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mixchange
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 7:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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minbet lead, fold to a reraise above 3x
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mg0698
Post Posted: Wed, 03 Dec 2008, 6:12am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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a500lbgorilla wrote:
I would fold. You can find a better spot.


Yea i agree he has to have 23
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