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Posted: Fri, 30 Oct 2009, 10:46pm Post subject: KK.. bad play?
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Straight
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 247
WPP: 81
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What do you think of my 4bet pre?
Effective stack is $245
Table is loose and crazy as hell, calling everything and anything. Villain is a reg who calls with marginal hands/gambles a bit, but never ever reraises preflop. Her raise makes me think she has AA or KK....maybe QQ. My main concern is that if I ONLY call her bet, everyone else at the table will call as well. My thinking was I could take it down preflop with KK and fold if she shoves.
Hero is deal KcKs, raises to $12
3 calls,
Villain raises to $36
1 call.
I raise to $112.
2 folds.
Villain ships, shorty ($60 stack total) calls all in.
Hero....Folds
After doing the math I was only getting 2.64-1 on a call. I was 90% sure she had AA when she 3bet, and 100% sure when she 5bet. The thing is, if she was really that tight (I've played a ton with her) should I even bother 4betting? |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 3:11am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1826
WPP: 67
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I have yet to do it, but it is obvious to me there are situations where it would be very easy to lay down KK preflop in a live game.
If you think she is incapable of 5-bet shoving with worse I suppose a minraise will accomplish the same thing. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 8:53am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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I wouldn't mind playing KK 5-way with nobody having more than a psb behind. They're going to get it in bad with tp and gutshots and overs and crap a lot.
If you're going to 4-bet, I don't like the sizing at all, and I'd never 4-bet KK planning to fold to a 5-bet. Do you think she's just going to call JJ, QQ, AK and pay you off after the flop, but not before the flop?
The 4-bet is huge in comparison with stack sizes - her only option is to shove or to fold (do I need to explain?) - so if you're going to 4b/f you might as well be doing it with any hand. I wouldn't waste KK on this. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 12:53pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1448
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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NO. you cant fold KK after 4 bet preflop. In such loose limp-fest games, i'd definitely 4 bet, call a shove and feel happy about it.
BTW,I flat here against online TAG regulars the majority of the time. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 12:59pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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WPP: 81
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| oskar wrote: | Do you think she's just going to call JJ, QQ, AK and pay you off after the flop, but not before the flop?
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Yes, because I know how she plays. I realize there is no way she shoves QQ or worse there. These people don't play standard online tag poker.
I definitely can see why my bet sizing is terrible though. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:29pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 247
WPP: 81
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| Well, I folded she showed AA and then a King hit on the flop...DOH! |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 1630
WPP: 84
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| Sticking half your stack in the middle preflop then folding is pretty terrible. Either call the 3bet or be happy stacking off. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 7:05pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 247
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| Ok dozer, I agree that it is a bad strategy to 4bet half stack and fold. But if I make the mistake of 4betting. And then I know 100% she has aces. Why would I call getting much worse than 4.5-1 on a call? |
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