Just trying LHE, how's my play

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 8

, 9

, 5

(6 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (18 BB) 5

(5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds.

River: (22 BB) 7

(4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Villan in hand 2 is 23.7/10.5 over only 38 hands

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7

, 7

. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 3

, 3

, T

(6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, CO folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.20 BB

No expert here, but I'd say that:

Hand 1: Fine

Hand 2: Pretty horrible. I think the flop call is bad, the later streets is just burning money, without a very good read.

hand 2 i almost want to fold PF

hand 1: yuck. no other way to play it. no idea what UTG+2 could possibly have where he calls 2 bets on the flop but not 1 on the turn where he CLOSES THE ACTION.

hand 2: about 80% sure you lost to an overpair. i check the flop and see what happens. most likely not seeing a showdown.

Well, hand 1 lost to 66 so yeah, not sure I could do anything else there.

Hand 2 I tanked the turn big time, river was a crying call pretty much with the bets already in there but was close to certain I was ahead on the turn and got lucky when he turned over AK.

I am curious though, why look to fold pre-flop when it's one more small bet to me and I close the action with a semi-decent pp? It's not even something I'd consider in HL so why would it be different in lhe?

Ahhh, I see.

So essentially in LHE I should be looking purely for TT+ type hands in EP and drop down to 77+ around MP?

We are looking to play only top hands in most positions due to people being so loose (and yeah, I noticed after last night my VP$IP was around 26% while it's 18 for NL) and try to get paid with them rather than play more speculative hands that work well in multi-way NL?

How do you deal with things like the first hand then when people are playing so much weird trash that they are willing to call down to the river "because it's only one more bet", how can you tell you're beat and then find a fold because again "it's only one more bet" and getting odds of like 9:1 or higher by then?

Yea, I def. mean openfold the 77 b/c you are only playing it for set value and with the limited implied odds that limit poker gives playing these hands UTG in full ring can only be correct with the proper table dynamic.

i.e.- loose passives

I'm not folding 77 preflop UTG about ever.

If the table is too tight to limp it, raise it. If its too loose to raise it, limp it. I might consider folding 55. Probably not, though.

The one advantage opening from UTG+1 with ATC is that your raise should get some respect from the players behind you. However, if I feel I will get more than 1 caller between myself and the blinds I really would not want to open this hand as it would become increasingly difficult to play. Openlimping with 77 is alright if half the table has been seeing flops.

Postflop I c/c flop and evaluate turn. Donking into the PFR can be a really good play if you have a stronger hand and know the PFR to be aggressive. He will protect your hand somewhat for you. However, you get no information on the flop at all as TT should play this flop as slowly as possible to gain more drawers.

Hm, you're new to limit...
Then it would be a shame not introducing to you a limit specialty - "keep your bet on flop, to make turn punch stronger".

In hand1, you probably have a best hand (KK), but it's a 6-handed (985!) flop - your winning chances are very shaky. And the pot is enormous (25 SB already).
So, few bets more or less in the pot doesn't matter anymore. Only one important thing left - to maximize chances of winning. You should raise - not for value, but to drive people out.

Flop raise was not a very good move.
After your raise there was 30 SB in the pot. More than easy call for every chaser with four or more outs. Even someone with pocket deuces can call, counting on implied odds. Five players left.
After your bet on turn, button got 19:1 (!) pot odds. Even if UTG bets again and you raise, chasers have about the proper odds to call.

What would happen if you only called on flop?
It would be 15.5 BB in the pot. And there would be much bigger chance that UTG will bet again. If he bets and you raise, button gets only 8.25 to 1 odds...

What I am trying to say?
If you can't charge them significantly on flop, it's sometimes better not to charge at all. Because of that, you'll often get a chance to charge them severely on the turn...

(Sorry about bad English. I hope that I'm still understandable enough)

Unfortunately, Prolaznik, I couldn't dissagree more.

There is already a bet out there and two callers. 29sb in the pot. The worst draw against you is a gutshot (10.5:1). If you call the pot odds are 29:1 for anyone after you to call. EVERYONE is calling, even 53o has odds to try and hit. Even if you raise, the odds are 15:1 for everyone behind you to call. Still great odds for just about everyone to stay in. But not as good. So raising lowers your opp EV, calling gives them better EV.

And now if you wait to pop them on the turn, even if everyone missed, now you will probably be giving players behind you at least 9:1 (depending on the action in front of you. Now, if you include some implied odds from river action, the gutshot still has odds to draw.

Now looking at your hand. You've got 3 players in the pot head of you, as long as you are not up against a made straight, you have great equity to build the pot (as long as no one has 76)

So, basically, raising vs calling the flop is going to make little difference in who continues and who folds at any point in the hand. Raising the flop doesn't make it incorrect for most drawing hands to call the turn. But only calling the flop and raising the turn increases our oop's EV on the flop and lowers our EV overall.

Seems just bad all around.

I think we need to raise the flop to build the pot for when you do when. We have the equity do so, even with this scary flop because of the number of players already in the pot.

If there was none acting after you and the pot was smaller, I would be a little more in favor of your line. But we will still be giving up EV and allowing opp to play correctly on the flop. :/

Proz you cannot gain any EV on the turn as any draw will be correct to call. You are only now trying to build the largest possible pot to win as you hold a greater equity in it. You cannot make them make incorrect decisions when the pot gets this big.

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