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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 6:20pm Post subject: im an idiot for raising a set on the river of a dry board
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EAT BUGS
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opponent is tag. although there are more AK combinations than AA/KK, i think he has a big pair here alot more. can anyone convince me my river raise was good against a tightish player? he just bet so small it made me think AK, but i doubt he plays pre/flop/turn like this with AK. if he would have pushed riv i think i would have considered folding.
PokerStars GAME #7632872875: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2006/12/27 - 16:57:39 (ET)
Table 'Jabbah' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Lukieplaya ($1017.75 in chips)
Seat 2: osko ($832 in chips)
Seat 3: Basebalno1 ($1641 in chips)
Seat 4: TaTaTunes ($3659.60 in chips)
Seat 5: gp333 ($1069 in chips)
Seat 6: samd20 ($1226 in chips)
osko: posts small blind $5
Basebalno1: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gp333 [6d 6c]
TaTaTunes: folds
gp333: raises $20 to $30
samd20: raises $90 to $120
Lukieplaya: folds
osko: folds
Basebalno1: calls $110
gp333: calls $90
*** FLOP *** [6h 5c Kd]
Basebalno1: checks
gp333: bets $250
samd20: folds
Basebalno1: calls $250
*** TURN *** [6h 5c Kd] [Ah]
Basebalno1: checks
gp333: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 5c Kd Ah] [3d]
Basebalno1: bets $250
gp333: raises $449 to $699 and is all-in
Basebalno1: calls $449
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gp333: shows [6d 6c] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Basebalno1: shows [Ad As] (three of a kind, Aces)
Basebalno1 collected $2260 from pot
figured i would leave in results because its clear what i did |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 6:30pm Post subject:
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Tough to say with all the meta-game you guys play with. Assuming he's a good tight player I guess it's bad because what is he really calling you with that you beat? I would think with AK you would bet the turn so he probably doesn't think you're stealing the pot with it if he had it and would fold.
But I dunno if I should be talking with my small stakes perspective. Actually, I'm really not sure why I answer your strategy posts... |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 6:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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He did play this awkwardly. He smooth-calls the re-raiser with you to act and then plays so passively post flop. How does this guy make money...wel besides this hand?  Still, I think this is just a call for you. I think he lets go of QQ- on the turn. So like you said - it's AK/AA/KK and you have zero fold equity. Pushing can only be -EV. |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 6:42pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Galapogos wrote: | | But I dunno if I should be talking with my small stakes perspective. Actually, I'm really not sure why I answer your strategy posts... | believe it or not, hearing any reasonably constructed arguments from small stakes players helps to keep me grounded somwhat..its also useful for you to walk through the though processes |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 8:12pm Post subject: Re: im an idiot for raising a set on the river of a dry boar
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Full House
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| gabe wrote: | | but i doubt he plays pre/flop/turn like this with AK. |
Why? I think it's reasonable for him to play AK this way, although most ppl tend to 4bet AK pf in this situation.
I think your line is fine. For 100bb's in a 3bet pot I have no problem going broke here to a higher set. |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 9:31pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| I'm very surprised this guy wouldn't try to get more money in the pot with AA/KK. So I think the raise is good. |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 10:00pm Post subject: Re: im an idiot for raising a set on the river of a dry boar
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4-of-a-Kind
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| bdawg56kg wrote: | | gabe wrote: | | but i doubt he plays pre/flop/turn like this with AK. |
Why? I think it's reasonable for him to play AK this way, although most ppl tend to 4bet AK pf in this situation.
I think your line is fine. For 100bb's in a 3bet pot I have no problem going broke here to a higher set. | |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 10:06pm Post subject: Re: im an idiot for raising a set on the river of a dry boar
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Straight Flush
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| Irisheyes wrote: | | bdawg56kg wrote: | | gabe wrote: | | but i doubt he plays pre/flop/turn like this with AK. |
Why? I think it's reasonable for him to play AK this way, although most ppl tend to 4bet AK pf in this situation.
I think your line is fine. For 100bb's in a 3bet pot I have no problem going broke here to a higher set. | |
thirded. His line is awfully strange, were you worried at any point? I get a feeling only a better hand might play it like this feeling we are going to do the betting for them? |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 10:32pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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"was i worried at any point?'
yes, i checked the turn because i was thinking i was behind. i only pushed because i thought his river bet was too small to be AA/KK, but then i instantly regretted pushing. |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Dec 2006, 11:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Move down to a level where you are more comfortable. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 12:33am Post subject:
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| I think you played it fine. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 1:09am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| to those saying the river push is good.....care to put the guy on a range that makes raising good? i think if its aa/kk/aks im like 50/50, but AK usually play the first streets differently so it has to be weighted less than average. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 3:15am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| You seriously think he has A-A or K-K more often than A-K or the occasional 5-5? |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 5:56am Post subject:
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Full House
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| gabe, the original preflop reraise, is he a tight raiser or what? because if he is and villian knows this, then villian just threw his hand face up by just calling the reraise OOP preflop (assuming villian is somewhat solid) - he has to have QQ/KK/AA (maybe JJ sometimes, but probably not) here, any solid TAG 4-bets or folds AK preflop in this spot (especially because he's OOP). Given villians range you are WA/WB on the river, so a river flatcall is g00t. Although I would probably play the hand the same as you, but that doesnt make it right |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 10:15am Post subject:
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Full House
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| what is a dry board, a non flush board? |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Dec 2006, 10:46am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| gabe wrote: | | to those saying the river push is good.....care to put the guy on a range that makes raising good? i think if its aa/kk/aks im like 50/50, but AK usually play the first streets differently so it has to be weighted less than average. |
minraise?
Id have shoved the river, but it certainly doesnt look the best play when you see it like this  |
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Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 1:53am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| yea he had AA, still undecided on this one |
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Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 9:33am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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He tricked you.. give him a note to be a slowplayer?  |
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